One thing that doesn’t make sense, as if there were only one, is how societal collapse will somehow lead to communism. If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries. The Great Depression would be a hopeful outlook. Rarely do I have the chance to say that I sincerely don’t want to eat people to survive.
How can anyone hope for a major global power, or worse a superpower, to collapse as a nation is beyond me.
That won’t just affect the country itself like some kind of controlled demolition of a 3 floor building with subfloors for debris to sit nice and neat in.
Do you honestly think the countries who spend the most on military budgets (especially the one that spends more than the next several combined) will sit back and not use any of their inflated budgets to lash out at surrounding countries, or even some other country across the world? especially when they do that in peace time anyway?
When shit hits the fan, it goes everywhere.
A country in collapse will have plenty of break off states/cities/territories whose occupants just commandeer the military equipment, and when that’s happening all over the country, it’s not going to be pretty.
Imagine what Texas will do to Mexico when the federal government is no longer reining them in, their economy and ecology are collapsing, and they see a bunch of “free real estate” just across an imaginary line someone drew on a paper (or river)
I don’t want Russia to collapse. That will not be good for anyone in Russia, or the surrounding nations.
A lot of tankies weren’t alive when the Soviet union collapsed, and it shows.
If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries.
I’ve said that to Tankies before and they’ve told me that’s a necessary sacrifice.
Yep the correct response to that is always you first comrade. They’re so comfortable with the sacrificing the lives of others. But they would s*** their drawers if that was asked of them.
They come from a very privileged position. I pointed that out to one of them recently and their response was, “is the privilege in the room with you right now?” That takes some heavy cognitive dissonance to claim to be a communist but mock the idea of privilege.
This is because they look at very surface level cause and effect often even swapping in correlation for cause and running with it. It was the same way during COVID with “let the old and weak die to make humanity stronger!”… technically true…it is the INSANE NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS that would change causing normal people concern.
Between that mindset, belief over facts, and lack of empathy, they can self-dilude into any “alternate truth” they need to not feel the pain of being wrong or changing their ways.
It’s a theory of Stalinism from the immediate post war that basically amounted to throwing a fit that the US stabilized half of Europe with the Marshall Plan. So now they think letting capitalist societies collapse somehow magically makes communism happen.
We’re currently in harm reduction mode. We have been since the DNC picked Hilary over Bernie and then lost the election to Trump. We need to rally around the “not Trump” guy so we can keep Democracy going. Will it be rainbows and puppy dogs under Biden? No, it’s going to be keeping the status quo and not losing an extra 2% of our population to another pandemic or worse under Trump.
doesn’t address literally any of my comment lol. i cant conclude anything but you meant that reply for someone else. boy, you sure got egg on ur face L.M.A.O.
They didn’t address your comment because you’re not worth addressing except to call out and shame for being willingly and enthusiastically complicit in dismantling our democratic rights.
Not even insults are worth the time, the only way you’re worth being referred to is as a collaborationist.
You literally just quoted a kvetch the fascists came up with to deflect accusations that they’re fascists by appealing to centrist sensibilities about keeping debates open.
You of all people should frankly be fucking ashamed to be openly using Nazi rhetoric to try and defend the indefensible.
It’s always easier to be the hero of the story when you reject reality and substitute your own in its place. The only problem with this is that everyone else still lives in the reality you rejected.
Tankies, famous for their… opposition to genocide?
Also, is “Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie” the mid-Left’s new “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?”
Famous for using real issues to push shitty accelerationist solutions.
One thing that doesn’t make sense, as if there were only one, is how societal collapse will somehow lead to communism. If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries. The Great Depression would be a hopeful outlook. Rarely do I have the chance to say that I sincerely don’t want to eat people to survive.
This is the thing that blows my mind.
How can anyone hope for a major global power, or worse a superpower, to collapse as a nation is beyond me.
That won’t just affect the country itself like some kind of controlled demolition of a 3 floor building with subfloors for debris to sit nice and neat in.
Do you honestly think the countries who spend the most on military budgets (especially the one that spends more than the next several combined) will sit back and not use any of their inflated budgets to lash out at surrounding countries, or even some other country across the world? especially when they do that in peace time anyway?
When shit hits the fan, it goes everywhere.
A country in collapse will have plenty of break off states/cities/territories whose occupants just commandeer the military equipment, and when that’s happening all over the country, it’s not going to be pretty.
Imagine what Texas will do to Mexico when the federal government is no longer reining them in, their economy and ecology are collapsing, and they see a bunch of “free real estate” just across an imaginary line someone drew on a paper (or river)
I don’t want Russia to collapse. That will not be good for anyone in Russia, or the surrounding nations.
A lot of tankies weren’t alive when the Soviet union collapsed, and it shows.
I’ve said that to Tankies before and they’ve told me that’s a necessary sacrifice.
Yep the correct response to that is always you first comrade. They’re so comfortable with the sacrificing the lives of others. But they would s*** their drawers if that was asked of them.
Because they know they’re probably not gonna be the ones starving.
Crashing through collapse into fascism probably looks like a wonderful idea when you’re sitting pretty outside the blast radius.
They come from a very privileged position. I pointed that out to one of them recently and their response was, “is the privilege in the room with you right now?” That takes some heavy cognitive dissonance to claim to be a communist but mock the idea of privilege.
This is because they look at very surface level cause and effect often even swapping in correlation for cause and running with it. It was the same way during COVID with “let the old and weak die to make humanity stronger!”… technically true…it is the INSANE NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS that would change causing normal people concern. Between that mindset, belief over facts, and lack of empathy, they can self-dilude into any “alternate truth” they need to not feel the pain of being wrong or changing their ways.
It’s a theory of Stalinism from the immediate post war that basically amounted to throwing a fit that the US stabilized half of Europe with the Marshall Plan. So now they think letting capitalist societies collapse somehow magically makes communism happen.
If Tankies oppose genocide, they have a funny way of showing it with their support of the CCP.
And of the candidate who almost certainly will bring some degree of Genocide to the US while also intensifying it in Ukraine and Gaza.
We’re currently in harm reduction mode. We have been since the DNC picked Hilary over Bernie and then lost the election to Trump. We need to rally around the “not Trump” guy so we can keep Democracy going. Will it be rainbows and puppy dogs under Biden? No, it’s going to be keeping the status quo and not losing an extra 2% of our population to another pandemic or worse under Trump.
doesn’t address literally any of my comment lol. i cant conclude anything but you meant that reply for someone else. boy, you sure got egg on ur face L.M.A.O.
You’re right. They didn’t address your strawman. Instead, they addressed the actual discussion at hand.
It’s literally… in the picture… like, at the top of your screen…
The word “genocide” is not in the image OP posted. It’s an obvious strawman.
They didn’t address your comment because you’re not worth addressing except to call out and shame for being willingly and enthusiastically complicit in dismantling our democratic rights.
Not even insults are worth the time, the only way you’re worth being referred to is as a collaborationist.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d did you see what Trump wants from Israel? Biden is a known entity, Trump is going to root for Israel to take Palestine. Probably an acceleration of the current genocide happening.
No, they are perfectly okay with genocide. As long as Papa Putin and and Winnie the Pooh Bear the ones doing it.
You literally just quoted a kvetch the fascists came up with to deflect accusations that they’re fascists by appealing to centrist sensibilities about keeping debates open.
You of all people should frankly be fucking ashamed to be openly using Nazi rhetoric to try and defend the indefensible.
I mean, it’s not like there aren’t Tankies. Surely if you’ve run across them if you’ve been on Lemmy over a year.
Try again ppboy.
It’s always easier to be the hero of the story when you reject reality and substitute your own in its place. The only problem with this is that everyone else still lives in the reality you rejected.
And they think you look foolish.
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Judging from the hugbox of this “mutual admiration society,” it does appear to be the new epithet.