The shooter was 12 when Trump was first elected. archive

    • @jordanlund
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      Removed, advocating violence.

    • @paf0
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      101 month ago

      That’s not how things are supposed to work. Trump should be spending his life in prison.

      • @Lizardking27
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        111 month ago

        We’re well past how things are “supposed” to work.

        • @paf0
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          So you support murder. I do not.

          • @Lizardking27
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            So you would’ve sided with the nobles getting guillotined rather than the people doing the guillotining?

            • @Anti_Iridium
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              I mean, when they went in and killed all those nobles in the French Revolution that were already locked up, which im not a huge fan of

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              Do you side with the soviet revolutionaries, or the Tsar?

              The revolutionaries? So you are advocating for the murder of not only the leader, but his young children too.

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        I agree. It was a dumb thing for him to even try in the first place, but it’s hard to blame some kid who was a teenager during the pandemic. Still, considering the case most likely to get Trump in jail was just dismissed I wouldn’t hold your breath for this country’s justice system.

        • @paf0
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          Don’t make excuses for this idiot. He attempted to murder a politician because he didn’t have anything else going on in his sad life. We can all do better.

          And that case will be appealed.

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            His classmates said he was a bully during high school. This doesn’t appear to be the victim nor the hero Lemmy tries so hard to make us believe.

            Just keep in mind, the alt-right are rooting for a civil war for years now. So who do you think is behind inciting lefties to become violent, Lemmy?

            • @paf0
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              11 month ago

              It doesn’t matter who is behind it. The whataboutism on this is gross. It doesn’t matter what the other side does, we do not have to stoop to murder or threats. We can all be better.

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                41 month ago

                stoop to murder

                on principal I completely agree.

                But heres a comparison people will likely cry about.

                At what point from hitlers starting point in politics, to his suicide in the bunker, should the german people have started committing violence to overthrow their government?

                • @vxx
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                  A comment I shamelessly copied from another thread, but it answers your question well.

                  Everyone in Hitler’s orbit was just as hateful as he was. But in many cases, they were smarter and less insane. Killing Hitler could have easily made WW2 a lot worse for everyone. What if you assassinated Hitler only to cause the Nazis to win?

                  • @breadsmasher
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                    41 month ago

                    I think the point I am making is slightly different. I am not suggesting the german people should have killed hitler, job done. I specifically said to overthrow their government.

                    If the implication isn’t obvious - at what point should the german people have risen up and began a civil war to overthrow the entire nazi government.

                    Not just one single person, because like you pointed out, it wouldn’t have changed much in the grand scheme.

                • @paf0
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                  This isn’t that, not yet anyway. All bets are off if they start rounding americans up based on their race or political ideology but we should otherwise use our institutions, both the elections and the courts, and freedom of speech.

                  • @breadsmasher
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                    21 month ago

                    No I completely agree. I am just posing the hypothetical of when “political violence” moves into effectively “battle for survival under an oppressive regime”

              • @vxx
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                That’s my point. The commentor I replied to got downvoted for condemning violence, while the ones above that should get banned for inciting violence get upvoted like crazy.

                And it’s no secret that troll farms have it easy here. Willful audience to eat it all up and get radicalised. I just tried to wake them up to what’s happening on here.

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          Removed, advocating violence.

        • @paf0
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          It is not killed, it will be appealed.