If you are educated, in demand or have the financial means to do so GET OUT. Globalization means most jobs can be worked anywhere and those that can’t are often in demand.
My uni is struggling with student numbers and I still don’t understand why we aren’t advertising to every single American high-school. One mass shooting in living memory, mostly understanding culture in regards to LGBT, low religious control, low corruption and great views 15 minutes away.
I don’t want to be overly offensive, but as someone who has watched the US slowly turn to chum over the decades, I’m not in favour of a mass immigration of Americans to other Western countries. How about you just stay at home and fix things. Most western countries don’t experience the same sort of weird and dangerous political problems that are now your way of life.
Just copy what others do. Dump guns as a social artifact, tone down the worst aspects of capitalism, perhaps compulsory voting, adopt a fairer taxation system, and strengthen social security. All other western countries do this to a smaller or greater extent and none of us are perfect or have any less problems in other areas.
I’m definitely not saying that other countries are better, we are not. It’s just that you definitely have particular problems and if you can’t change them, you better just build that wall.
Nah, fuck this place. I would love to see westernized countries just flat out say “doctors, engineers, lawyers, medical professionals, successful business people, etc., come move here. We will fast track you all and even buy your house in the USA from you at market price”
Then watch as the brain drain kills the USA, and the bitch ass rural banjo players can live out their dreams. Of course life expectancy will drop to 32 years old as they all die of preventable disease. But who cares? Bootstraps! Jesus!
That’s the dream, maybe. But other Western countries already have a professional class. We already have doctors etc. And, Australia already has niche immigration, but we can’t afford to just throw open the doors. No, you guys need to just learn to sink or swim. Or, just vote. 40 million Americans didn’t bother last time. You let the hicks and boobs just steal the country from under your feet.
No need for drastic action, just a will to change.
Nah, America had its run. There is no need to stay here. The entire professional class leaving would give conservatives the date they deserve.
Why should anyone care about a Trump voter or their welfare? They vote for fascist trash. Let them live in that world and perish of starvation accordingly.
I don’t think that you are picking up on my point. It’s not what you want, as an American, on migrating to another western country, it’s who that country wants to accept. It is extremely difficult to get residency in western countries. Being an American doesn’t put you in front of the queue. It’s not that we don’t like Americans, it’s just that you are no-one special in immigration terms. Same as if I wanted to immigrate to your country. I’m nobody special just because I have an Australian passport. I’d have to stand in the back of a very long line.
Best you work on dealing with Trump at the ballot box.
Every time this discussion comes around, I remember a scene from The Day After Tomorrow that makes me laugh very loud, that is Americans ilegally crossing the border to Mexico and then the Mexico pres having pity of the US and admitting the immigrants in exchange for the US forgiving the entire national debt.
But we all know educated and/or wealthy immigrants are welcome almost everywhere. Wealthy, at least; Educated is much more complicated…
We have the distinct disadvantage of absurdly expensive education, which means decades to waste here before debts are paid. Also insanely expensive insurance, so don’t get seriously ill or have any kind of accidents (that’ll cost you either way). Rent? (That’s tripled, fuck you.) Have your parents died and left you money? (JFC they’re still alive and poorly spent their savings on garbage and Trump scams? Game over.)
The US has 55 times as many people living in 36 times as much land and with nearly no restrictions on firearm ownership in the majority of the country. Recipe for a fuckload of mass shootings
You don’t excuse a disease, you analyze why it’s happening and figure out how to cure it. Understanding the scale of the host is step one. Understanding what other hosts are doing differently, the extent to which it’s working for them, and what effect you could hope to see by mimicking them is step two. In the US, actually implementing any improvement requires relatively broad understanding of what exactly is wrong, how to fix it, and how we know the fix will work without also costing so many people their “freedom” to own a ridiculously efficient killing machine that the improvement doesn’t get shot down. That’s step 3
Perfect, now that I have you here, I have an important question to ask. What is the proper way to refer to people from NZ? I always end up going with something like “oh, they’re New Zealish” but I’m pretty sure that’s not correct.
I’m guessing seasonal workers aren’t welcome to stay though… leaving money or academics. I will say Americans are slowly realizing it’s cheaper to send their kids abroad for college. Germany told parents they had to put up a 10,000 dollar bond to support their kid in Germany and parents were like, “Yup, that’s a quarter the cost of the tuition alone in the US.”
I looked into immigrating to NZ before they changed the immigration rules a couple years ago but couldn’t find a job that matched that was hiring foreigners. I would be happy to move there and continue working my current job remotely, but it didn’t look like that was an option.
Id argue we have a lack of investment and ownership crisis. The houses are there, we just all rent.
Plus, in theory, many of our country’s problems come from low value productivity and goods. Skilled come over, higher value exports, more development here, more tax, a country that can actually do something.
Yes this is probably true, but what will end up happening is that we will continue to buy houses off each other at ever inflated costs. Only the bankers will win.
Investment into productive assets is just not the NZ way.
Hence why the govt needs to step in to regulate housing investment - take some of the demand out of the purchasing market, which then lowers the equilibrium price and makes current ownership even less attractive.
Putting this out there.
If you are educated, in demand or have the financial means to do so GET OUT. Globalization means most jobs can be worked anywhere and those that can’t are often in demand.
My uni is struggling with student numbers and I still don’t understand why we aren’t advertising to every single American high-school. One mass shooting in living memory, mostly understanding culture in regards to LGBT, low religious control, low corruption and great views 15 minutes away.
Wait. Is the world going to have to deal with a flood of American immigrants now? That’s going to be delicious.
The good thing is that immigration is meant to be selective- we can pick and choose.
I feel like Mexico may need to put up a border wall shortly.
They got any internets down there?
I don’t want to be overly offensive, but as someone who has watched the US slowly turn to chum over the decades, I’m not in favour of a mass immigration of Americans to other Western countries. How about you just stay at home and fix things. Most western countries don’t experience the same sort of weird and dangerous political problems that are now your way of life.
Just copy what others do. Dump guns as a social artifact, tone down the worst aspects of capitalism, perhaps compulsory voting, adopt a fairer taxation system, and strengthen social security. All other western countries do this to a smaller or greater extent and none of us are perfect or have any less problems in other areas.
I’m definitely not saying that other countries are better, we are not. It’s just that you definitely have particular problems and if you can’t change them, you better just build that wall.
Nah, fuck this place. I would love to see westernized countries just flat out say “doctors, engineers, lawyers, medical professionals, successful business people, etc., come move here. We will fast track you all and even buy your house in the USA from you at market price”
Then watch as the brain drain kills the USA, and the bitch ass rural banjo players can live out their dreams. Of course life expectancy will drop to 32 years old as they all die of preventable disease. But who cares? Bootstraps! Jesus!
That’s the dream, maybe. But other Western countries already have a professional class. We already have doctors etc. And, Australia already has niche immigration, but we can’t afford to just throw open the doors. No, you guys need to just learn to sink or swim. Or, just vote. 40 million Americans didn’t bother last time. You let the hicks and boobs just steal the country from under your feet.
No need for drastic action, just a will to change.
Nah, America had its run. There is no need to stay here. The entire professional class leaving would give conservatives the date they deserve.
Why should anyone care about a Trump voter or their welfare? They vote for fascist trash. Let them live in that world and perish of starvation accordingly.
I don’t think that you are picking up on my point. It’s not what you want, as an American, on migrating to another western country, it’s who that country wants to accept. It is extremely difficult to get residency in western countries. Being an American doesn’t put you in front of the queue. It’s not that we don’t like Americans, it’s just that you are no-one special in immigration terms. Same as if I wanted to immigrate to your country. I’m nobody special just because I have an Australian passport. I’d have to stand in the back of a very long line.
Best you work on dealing with Trump at the ballot box.
Most are too poor to get out. I looked I to it and no one wants you unless your rich or moving to a shit hole.
Every time this discussion comes around, I remember a scene from The Day After Tomorrow that makes me laugh very loud, that is Americans ilegally crossing the border to Mexico and then the Mexico pres having pity of the US and admitting the immigrants in exchange for the US forgiving the entire national debt.
But we all know educated and/or wealthy immigrants are welcome almost everywhere. Wealthy, at least; Educated is much more complicated…
We have the distinct disadvantage of absurdly expensive education, which means decades to waste here before debts are paid. Also insanely expensive insurance, so don’t get seriously ill or have any kind of accidents (that’ll cost you either way). Rent? (That’s tripled, fuck you.) Have your parents died and left you money? (JFC they’re still alive and poorly spent their savings on garbage and Trump scams? Game over.)
Not if we win this election. But if we can’t kill this stupid christofascist movement, then yeah probably, at some point.
“only one mass shooting recently” 🙃
In living memory.
I can’t guarantee America has had less than 2 in the last 48 hours.
The US has 55 times as many people living in 36 times as much land and with nearly no restrictions on firearm ownership in the majority of the country. Recipe for a fuckload of mass shootings
It really is.
I do hope you aren’t excusing it, but by that logic NZ should have a mass shooting roughly every 4 months by comparison.
You don’t excuse a disease, you analyze why it’s happening and figure out how to cure it. Understanding the scale of the host is step one. Understanding what other hosts are doing differently, the extent to which it’s working for them, and what effect you could hope to see by mimicking them is step two. In the US, actually implementing any improvement requires relatively broad understanding of what exactly is wrong, how to fix it, and how we know the fix will work without also costing so many people their “freedom” to own a ridiculously efficient killing machine that the improvement doesn’t get shot down. That’s step 3
In living memory, he’s likely australian.
New Zealand going by the username.
NZ does import its mass shooters from Australia. So that works
Exactly. There are some things that kiwis are just not good at, we have to get imports for some jobs.
That’s a bingo
Perfect, now that I have you here, I have an important question to ask. What is the proper way to refer to people from NZ? I always end up going with something like “oh, they’re New Zealish” but I’m pretty sure that’s not correct.
Easy - we’re all Kiwis. Like the Dutch.
Important thing is that its not a born here thing - kiwis aren’t just NZ European and Maori.
Isn’t New Zealand actually the hardest country to immigrate to?
If you have no skills its an absolute bitch. Unless you’re coming over as a seasonal worker in which they will take nearly anyone.
If you have them, money or a student its much easier.
I’m guessing seasonal workers aren’t welcome to stay though… leaving money or academics. I will say Americans are slowly realizing it’s cheaper to send their kids abroad for college. Germany told parents they had to put up a 10,000 dollar bond to support their kid in Germany and parents were like, “Yup, that’s a quarter the cost of the tuition alone in the US.”
I looked into immigrating to NZ before they changed the immigration rules a couple years ago but couldn’t find a job that matched that was hiring foreigners. I would be happy to move there and continue working my current job remotely, but it didn’t look like that was an option.
Apprentice as an electrician where you are, journey out, reapply. They really need it.
(Being very generalist) whats your role?
SHHHHHH!!!
We don’t need more people, we have enough of a housing crisis as it is.
Id argue we have a lack of investment and ownership crisis. The houses are there, we just all rent.
Plus, in theory, many of our country’s problems come from low value productivity and goods. Skilled come over, higher value exports, more development here, more tax, a country that can actually do something.
Yes this is probably true, but what will end up happening is that we will continue to buy houses off each other at ever inflated costs. Only the bankers will win.
Investment into productive assets is just not the NZ way.
Hence why the govt needs to step in to regulate housing investment - take some of the demand out of the purchasing market, which then lowers the equilibrium price and makes current ownership even less attractive.