While I don’t traffic in such forceful language, I can answer what @criitz means:
Bernie Sanders raised millions of dollars on the promise to lead a political revolution. For many supporters, that proposition was taken literally. They thought that his campaign was not simply a vehicle to give him the power of the presidency, but was the organizing structure for a persistent movement of activists reengaging with democracy each and every week BETWEEN elections. And when he dropped out, a lot of those people lost their connections to social and organizing structures that were giving them hope and an outlet for meeting like-minded people to find ways to make their communities better. So when he ended his campaign and all that money and infrastructure got instantly packed up and taken away, they felt like they’d been misled.
Some found their way into activism through the DSA or climate groups, but for many, the way in which he disbanded his campaign without following through on the implied promise to transform it into something durable was a very unexpected and painful surprise.
I see, thank you for explaining. I believe Bernie has done pretty much everything he could for decades, but I get how people may have felt misled. It can be very disheartening to try and enact real change in this country.
A non-duopoly choice is a 3rd Party candidate, Jill Stien, Green Party.
Reading her platform, I’d say it’s a no go for me.
Two bullet points back to back are “Have the UN Security Council hold Israel accountable” and at the same time “end the UN Security Council”. So which is it, use the UNSC to hold Israel accountable or the UNSC is a bad thing?
Also on her platform, disband NATO and stop giving Ukraine aid. If we do this, then Ukraine and Russia will just hug it out and everyone will be happy. A few unrealistic things like this where it’s way too optimistic and paves the way for things to go horribly wrong.
Then there are the good intentions, but bad consequences ideas. Pay reparations to third world countries for climate. Historically, “just dump money and resources” has been tried and you just give those to regional warlords that will make things worse. Need a more thought out engagement plan than that.
Broadly some decent domestic policy goals, but pretty impractical foreign policy ideas.
I think Bernie’s earned it though. He may be old, but he’s still mentally intact. Trump was never mentally intact, and Biden…well…yeah. Biden kinda fell off his rocker. Good man. I wish him all the best, and hope he gets the care he needs. However, we don’t really need someone who talks about how we defeated health care running our health care.
I may hate Trump, but he did have one line that I think sealed the deal for Biden. He said “I don’t know what he said, I don’t think he knows what he said”, and everybody just kind of saddly nodded their head, because it was true.
But Bernie will be a firecracker up your ass fighting the good fight for every American. And unlike a lot of these politicians, he’s not a phoney. Harris can say that she’s changed, and she now stands to legalize marijuanna, and all this other stuff…but she has a track record. Bernie has a track record too, except he HASN’T changed. There’s photos of him in the 60s getting arrested fighting for civil rights. I’d rather he be president than a younger person who may or may not be who they say they are. Plus I like his policies.
I’m right there with you. Bernie totally could have won the general in 2016, and we’d be in a hell of a lot better place now, but he didn’t, and sadly that time has passed.
with a receptive white house, Bernie will be a firecracker anywhere. I would be more than happy for Bernie to retain his Senate seat and get the committee assignments that give him maximal internal clout.
The duopoly choice is Bernie Sanders, even though he betrayed his movement and the people that helped fund and grow his grassroots campaign.
A non-duopoly choice is a 3rd Party candidate, Jill Stien, Green Party.
How did Bernie betray his movement?
The anti Bernie propaganda is scared of people rallying around him since Bidens departure
Theres no real replyabout his “betrayal”
yeah, and everyone knew exactly which accounts they would be.
While I don’t traffic in such forceful language, I can answer what @criitz means:
Bernie Sanders raised millions of dollars on the promise to lead a political revolution. For many supporters, that proposition was taken literally. They thought that his campaign was not simply a vehicle to give him the power of the presidency, but was the organizing structure for a persistent movement of activists reengaging with democracy each and every week BETWEEN elections. And when he dropped out, a lot of those people lost their connections to social and organizing structures that were giving them hope and an outlet for meeting like-minded people to find ways to make their communities better. So when he ended his campaign and all that money and infrastructure got instantly packed up and taken away, they felt like they’d been misled.
Some found their way into activism through the DSA or climate groups, but for many, the way in which he disbanded his campaign without following through on the implied promise to transform it into something durable was a very unexpected and painful surprise.
i hadn’t heard this angle articulated before, thanks for sharing.
I see, thank you for explaining. I believe Bernie has done pretty much everything he could for decades, but I get how people may have felt misled. It can be very disheartening to try and enact real change in this country.
Here’s a tip: you ever see the above user say anything, ignore it because it’s stupid.
Reading her platform, I’d say it’s a no go for me.
Two bullet points back to back are “Have the UN Security Council hold Israel accountable” and at the same time “end the UN Security Council”. So which is it, use the UNSC to hold Israel accountable or the UNSC is a bad thing?
Also on her platform, disband NATO and stop giving Ukraine aid. If we do this, then Ukraine and Russia will just hug it out and everyone will be happy. A few unrealistic things like this where it’s way too optimistic and paves the way for things to go horribly wrong.
Then there are the good intentions, but bad consequences ideas. Pay reparations to third world countries for climate. Historically, “just dump money and resources” has been tried and you just give those to regional warlords that will make things worse. Need a more thought out engagement plan than that.
Broadly some decent domestic policy goals, but pretty impractical foreign policy ideas.
There was no betrayal, we just don’t need another old white guy right now.
I think Bernie’s earned it though. He may be old, but he’s still mentally intact. Trump was never mentally intact, and Biden…well…yeah. Biden kinda fell off his rocker. Good man. I wish him all the best, and hope he gets the care he needs. However, we don’t really need someone who talks about how we defeated health care running our health care.
I may hate Trump, but he did have one line that I think sealed the deal for Biden. He said “I don’t know what he said, I don’t think he knows what he said”, and everybody just kind of saddly nodded their head, because it was true.
But Bernie will be a firecracker up your ass fighting the good fight for every American. And unlike a lot of these politicians, he’s not a phoney. Harris can say that she’s changed, and she now stands to legalize marijuanna, and all this other stuff…but she has a track record. Bernie has a track record too, except he HASN’T changed. There’s photos of him in the 60s getting arrested fighting for civil rights. I’d rather he be president than a younger person who may or may not be who they say they are. Plus I like his policies.
I’m right there with you. Bernie totally could have won the general in 2016, and we’d be in a hell of a lot better place now, but he didn’t, and sadly that time has passed.
with a receptive white house, Bernie will be a firecracker anywhere. I would be more than happy for Bernie to retain his Senate seat and get the committee assignments that give him maximal internal clout.
At that age mental acuity can go fast. I would vote for Bernie over Trump or Biden in a heartbeat, but I would rather have someone younger.
I’d vote for Bernie Sanders because he has a podcast. Any politician that seeks out long conversations is a winner in my book.