I feel like warning people about bad actors is a public service that should be encouraged. If you saw the user’s interactions with me you might agree with my theory too. But since you can’t even say what I did, Lemmy literally can and will be used as a tool for election interference, with no recourse at all
That sounds nice and all, but what evidence can I provide? Are you really going to read 10+ comments and make a judgment call? There are at least 2 people I’ve seen just lie and lie to their heart’s content and today my messages calling them out resulted in mod actions against me.
Just saying “you are lying and I think it’s because you’re being paid to” is enough to get me banned/deleted all over the place. Kinda sucks that in this way it’s like Facebook here (calling out people being shitty gets punished at times). To be clear, I think Lemmy is far better than a network like FB but at the same time I really wish we could ditch all the bad parts of places like that.
If someone reports as “Seems like this is a bad actor”, yeah, that’s exactly what we do. We also have two back channel chats, one with the other mods and the lemmy.world admins and another with admins of multiple lemmy instances.
If we determine that what they are doing may not necessarily violate the rules, it elevates their user name to a point where we are all now watching them.
I will typically reply and engage with them to see how bad they really are, sometimes that’s enough for them to peel back the mask and get then banned.
Okay. Just curious, would it qualify as suspicious if a user repeatedly says others “support genocide” without them ever once uttering such a thing? The two users I’m talking about will throw that out every single time someone disagrees with their views about Israel. That kind of wackadoo shit, along with lying to make trump look better, and other dishonest claims unrelated to anything else.
I’m honestly curious though, what would it take for a user to be considered a Russian (or other) troll? Would they need to directly praise trump many times every day? I see some people lying about things Biden has done quite a lot… Would there ever be a threshold where it’s considered obvious that they’re only here to spread misinformation?
I mean, I’ve been accused of “supporting genocide” 100 times and I’m not aware of a single one of those comments being removed. And I literally have never said a single thing to justify that claim. “Biden can’t control Netanyahu” for example. I know a user who would zero hesitation respond to the that with “you support genocide” and has many times to anything related to Israel that they dislike. Yeah I get opinions shouldn’t be policed but flat out just lying ideally would be.
That’s hilarious, you are so upset that I don’t agree with you that you are now following me around like a puppy to repeat things about me that I’ve already corrected you about. You make assumptions, get shown to be wrong and then just stick to your incorrect assumptions.
Oh no! Then who will save lemmy from the evil putin sidekick?! Only you are clever enough to decode the mystery! Lemmy needs you to save them from the super convincing lies!!
Removed by mod
Removed, see the new addendum to the civility rule.
I feel like warning people about bad actors is a public service that should be encouraged. If you saw the user’s interactions with me you might agree with my theory too. But since you can’t even say what I did, Lemmy literally can and will be used as a tool for election interference, with no recourse at all
If you feel someone is a bad actor, report them and let the mods deal with it.
That sounds nice and all, but what evidence can I provide? Are you really going to read 10+ comments and make a judgment call? There are at least 2 people I’ve seen just lie and lie to their heart’s content and today my messages calling them out resulted in mod actions against me.
Just saying “you are lying and I think it’s because you’re being paid to” is enough to get me banned/deleted all over the place. Kinda sucks that in this way it’s like Facebook here (calling out people being shitty gets punished at times). To be clear, I think Lemmy is far better than a network like FB but at the same time I really wish we could ditch all the bad parts of places like that.
If someone reports as “Seems like this is a bad actor”, yeah, that’s exactly what we do. We also have two back channel chats, one with the other mods and the lemmy.world admins and another with admins of multiple lemmy instances.
If we determine that what they are doing may not necessarily violate the rules, it elevates their user name to a point where we are all now watching them.
I will typically reply and engage with them to see how bad they really are, sometimes that’s enough for them to peel back the mask and get then banned.
Okay. Just curious, would it qualify as suspicious if a user repeatedly says others “support genocide” without them ever once uttering such a thing? The two users I’m talking about will throw that out every single time someone disagrees with their views about Israel. That kind of wackadoo shit, along with lying to make trump look better, and other dishonest claims unrelated to anything else.
Oh, I know EXACTLY who you’re talking about. :)
That doesn’t make them bots or bad actors. They’re allowed to have bad opinions.
Where we draw the line is attacking other users. If they’re saying YOU’RE supporting genocide, that’s a civility rule and the comment will get pulled.
If they say Biden or Harris or anyone else is supporting genocide, that’s clearly not true and a bad opinion but allowed.
I’m honestly curious though, what would it take for a user to be considered a Russian (or other) troll? Would they need to directly praise trump many times every day? I see some people lying about things Biden has done quite a lot… Would there ever be a threshold where it’s considered obvious that they’re only here to spread misinformation?
I mean, I’ve been accused of “supporting genocide” 100 times and I’m not aware of a single one of those comments being removed. And I literally have never said a single thing to justify that claim. “Biden can’t control Netanyahu” for example. I know a user who would zero hesitation respond to the that with “you support genocide” and has many times to anything related to Israel that they dislike. Yeah I get opinions shouldn’t be policed but flat out just lying ideally would be.
That’s hilarious, you are so upset that I don’t agree with you that you are now following me around like a puppy to repeat things about me that I’ve already corrected you about. You make assumptions, get shown to be wrong and then just stick to your incorrect assumptions.
I’m reading zero words of this barrage in my inbox
Oh no! Then who will save lemmy from the evil putin sidekick?! Only you are clever enough to decode the mystery! Lemmy needs you to save them from the super convincing lies!!