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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday’s election.
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It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.
The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.
But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.
Sigh. What about virtually every other country out there that is not a dictatorship saying it too?
I’m not saying I trust Maduro or anything, but the US making a statement makes me very suspicious about the truth of that, just based on history.
The US weighing in removes credibility to the claim that the election was tampered with.
What if…the US said Maduro won? Would that add any credibility to the claim that the election was tampered with? Is Lula any less legitimate just because his victory was recognized by the US? Or would you just dismiss it and look at other opinions, mainly in SA stakeholders who suffered under US-backed dictatorships?
Yanno that’s a good question, I do think if the USA says something about the internal politics of a South American country I tend to believe the opposite is closer to the truth.
That’s the point 😁 it’s just as silly to decide to believe the US at face value as to believe the opposite just because they said it.
Of course you can formulate this as having a hypothesis based on a prior history. But then you have to look at the evidence too to decide whether to accept or reject your original hypothesis in the face of new data. Some people need stronger evidence based on how strongly they believe their original stance.
I personally was skeptical of the opposition’s 66% claim, but so far the mess of the election and not publishing results is too strong for me to ignore. But some people are so entrenched in their position that it would literally take seeing Maduro personally stuffing ballot boxes in front of them to change their mind.
What annoys me in all this is people who just take their hypothesis as all the evidence they need to convict.
Would it help if I said I knew someone from Venezuela who is adamant that Maduro cheated? My old coworker heavily dislikes Maduro
I know someone in the US who is adamant Biden cheated, too. That’s not really evidence.
I don’t disagree. I just think we shouldn’t dismiss the possibility just because the US says it’s the case. The US also said Putin was going to invade Ukraine and caught a lot of ridicule online for that, but it turned out to be a spot on prediction.
That’s true lol
All US pawns. They said the same thing about the Soviets who brought a workers’ paradise to Eastern Europe until the capitalists finally overthrew them.
Lolol. Oh I’m chuckling away here. That’s so funny.
People like you make it harder to criticise the US for legitimate reasons.
Hell, “election monitoring” in South America is a pretty historically good reason to criticise them, but now anyone who wants to make this point has to grapple with being called a tankie, and we have to sit alongside statements like “the Soviets who brought a workers’ paradise”.
Gee, that might have happened if any functioning soviets actually survived the first couple of years of the USSR, and it hadn’t become a full-on counter-revolutionary state capitalist empire.
Edit: Actually looking at this person’s posts they appear to be sarcastic here. Sorry, but there are ways to do sarcasm that land, and this wasn’t it.
“Hadn’t become”? The revolution ended de facto with the October “revolution”, when Bolsheviks started to control who sat on the councils. There may have been a couple of days or even a month where there existed a USSR but it wasn’t full-fledged counter-revolutionary, but only because the Bolsheviks needed some time to boil the revolutionary frog.
Ha ha ha you’re so funny.Or stupid. Or paid lol, because you just can’t be that ignorant lol fr.
But please continue mr zero awareness guy, at least nobody is going to fall for that level of bs.
Pretty sure they’re just stupid.
If true then that’s some impressive stupidity 😁
Nice take edgelord. Living standards were quite low in the Soviet Union for the overwhelming majority of the population, and they had very little political freedom to imprpve them. Reforms were met with a coup attempt, and it fell apart into various states where even today many are not aligned with “the big spooky west”.
Do you understand what living conditions were like before the revolution? Socialism took an agrarian society and catapulted it into one that won the space race. Literaracy, food output, lifespan all increased during socialism, and they deteriorated again once the USSR devolved back into capitalism.
I think most of this is attributable more so to the abolition of serfdom and the industrial revolution than the communist one. The US also had those improve during the same period too.
Lol it advanced way faster in the west.
Not in the same period of time for the same level of development. And when it did, they accomplished it mostly through colonies and 1800’s imperialism.
Cherry picking at its finest.
Start listening in your history classes!
History is exactly why I’m skeptical.
I suspect you are either too young to have even known someone that grew up in a Soviet state or you are just a fucking useful idiot.
Well I’m not that sure about that, it seems that lots of east germany people say they preferred the DDR.
Lots of Americans say they preferred trump to any other president. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
People really not picking up on your sarcasm
It’s fine. At least they’re making my point for me.
The internet is filled with Schrodinger’s Asshole. How is anyone supposed to know if you meant it sarcastically originally or are just claiming it was sarcastic now that it hasn’t landed?
I made a ridiculous argument so people could connect it to the ones being made about Venezuela. Sarcasm and satire can be very effective. Just because Poe says there’s always one nut out there who actually believes in a ridiculous argument doesn’t mean sarcasm shouldn’t be used.
NGL my first impression was no sarcasm because of the lack of s/. I thought Lemmygrad just had another leak.
I hate the /s. If your sarcasm is good it should stand on it’s own merit.