I look forward to a human world without humans harming others. It will occur when humans have eliminated themselves as a species, and that time might not be far off.
Until then, we can enjoy oppressing the non-conformist and mentally ill. People like Mary Barnes shouldn’t have been allowed to enjoy the freedom she did - she lived in her poo, made art with it, and ended up being a successful artist. Disgusting!!!
As someone with a history of mental health issues who has received forced treatment by family, i beg to differ. Healing started once i got out of the social circles who were trying to force me to be not have problems and i found people who would accept me (mostly) for who i was. I am now much better, no thanks to forced help.
Healing comes with acceptance, enough acceptance will lead to the person with problems to start noticing how their issues are cause problems and then seeking help on their own becomes available.
My heart breaks over how limited the supply of patient acceptance is in society; how few people are even willing to try to demonstrate a modicum of empathy for what people with mental health issues are experiencing
Thank you for saying this. As a Psychologist, standing up for the rights of patients - who are ‘disgusting’ and ‘different’ - is a difficult task. When people don’t conform, they are not treated as human. They are problems to be dealt with. It is disgusting.
You haven’t answered my question. All those links talk about the problem of homelessness, not that they “abdicated the responsibility to make decisions for themselves.”
No, I need evidence on your claim that less fortunate people forfeit their right to decide for themselves.
Your elitism is showing.
You’re a lost case. For everyone else reading: we cannot expect that people who for some reason or another got into a financial or mental health mess, are the ones who can get themselves out of it without help. Suppose a drunk person falls into a pond and can’t get out. And then you say “well, SERVES YOU RIGHT for getting drunk. You get out of the lake yourself!” Who- who? The hell thinks like that?!
A person who’s top priority is “shit, what will I eat tomorrow? Will I be safe tonight?” should be helped by those like us, the one with the access, knowledge and resources. They should not be victim-blamed.
It’s kinda weird when people are not empathetic to those in need, when you think about it.
When someone is living in their own refuse, they have abdicated the responsibility to make decisions for themselves.
Well, yes, society needs people to abuse.
They’re abusing themselves. Society saying “no, stop it.” is the OPPOSITE of abuse.
It’s no different than grand-ma being a hoarder. Her kids and grand kids step in to make decisions for her because she clearly can’t on her own.
It’s just that, in this case, it’s society doing the heavy lifting.
Yes, conformity must be enforced.
When your non-conformity places you and others at risk? Absolutely.
I look forward to a human world without humans harming others. It will occur when humans have eliminated themselves as a species, and that time might not be far off.
Until then, we can enjoy oppressing the non-conformist and mentally ill. People like Mary Barnes shouldn’t have been allowed to enjoy the freedom she did - she lived in her poo, made art with it, and ended up being a successful artist. Disgusting!!!
Forcing mentally ill people into treatment isn’t harm, it’s helping someone incapable of helping themselves.
I’m a Psychologist.
Have you seen how patients get treated on mental health wards?
That’s not an argument to not treat them, that’s an argument to make treatment better.
As someone with a history of mental health issues who has received forced treatment by family, i beg to differ. Healing started once i got out of the social circles who were trying to force me to be not have problems and i found people who would accept me (mostly) for who i was. I am now much better, no thanks to forced help.
Healing comes with acceptance, enough acceptance will lead to the person with problems to start noticing how their issues are cause problems and then seeking help on their own becomes available.
My heart breaks over how limited the supply of patient acceptance is in society; how few people are even willing to try to demonstrate a modicum of empathy for what people with mental health issues are experiencing
Thank you for saying this. As a Psychologist, standing up for the rights of patients - who are ‘disgusting’ and ‘different’ - is a difficult task. When people don’t conform, they are not treated as human. They are problems to be dealt with. It is disgusting.
Lol! What kind of weird ass argument is this?!
Can you back it up?
You honestly think someone living in garbage and shit is capable of making good life decions?
Because if they were, the rest of us wouldn’t be dealing with:
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2023/07/hidden-toll-of-homeless-crisis-portlands-prized-natural-areas.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/05/portland-announces-it-will-aggressively-clean-or-remove-homeless-encampments.html
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/security-guards-stopping-homeless-people-camping-old-town-steel-bridge/283-2558b928-4c8d-4242-800c-d348c128d19b
It’s bad enough now that there’s actually a cottage industry building up around camp cleanup:
https://www.bioonepdx.com/homeless-encampment-cleanup/
You haven’t answered my question. All those links talk about the problem of homelessness, not that they “abdicated the responsibility to make decisions for themselves.”
Excellent victim blaming, by the way.
If you’re living in the street, shitting on the sidewalk, yes, you’ve abdicated the decision making process.
I disagree with you and I’m done with this conversation. You haven’t backed up any of your claims.
Edit: Hopefully you won’t ban me for my opinions.
LOL - you need evidence that someone shitting on the sidewalk like a dog is making good life choices?
No, I need evidence on your claim that less fortunate people forfeit their right to decide for themselves.
Your elitism is showing.
You’re a lost case. For everyone else reading: we cannot expect that people who for some reason or another got into a financial or mental health mess, are the ones who can get themselves out of it without help. Suppose a drunk person falls into a pond and can’t get out. And then you say “well, SERVES YOU RIGHT for getting drunk. You get out of the lake yourself!” Who- who? The hell thinks like that?!
A person who’s top priority is “shit, what will I eat tomorrow? Will I be safe tonight?” should be helped by those like us, the one with the access, knowledge and resources. They should not be victim-blamed.
It’s kinda weird when people are not empathetic to those in need, when you think about it.
They aren’t simply “less fortunate”. They lack the ability to properly care for themselves or establish a stable environment in which to live.
If they’re going to burden society with their issues, they have no right to complain when society resolves their issues for them.