MN hasn’t gone red in a presidential in a whole lot of years, so it’s actually not.
And yes, if you go back to my original comment, that was more of less what I said, where we have a responsibility to provide energy and outreach. I just don’t think we should over-exaggerate how successful progressive messaging should be, as if moderates can simply be brushed aside and their disagreements with us ignored. We did lose a little bit by picking two more progressive people, and we do have to work to make up for it.
MN hasn’t gone red in a presidential in a whole lot of years, so it’s actually not.
that’s an idiotic and dismissive take. Sorry. but you really don’t know anything about us, or our politics.
Biden won MN by 230k votes. in 2020. To put that in perspective, there were a total of 3.2 million votes total. it’s the kind of thinking that lost Michigan in 2016, which was won by Obama in 2012 by 450k votes.
In 2020, Biden barely squeaked out a win, with the closest three states (GA, AZ, WI) having less than 20k votes. Democrats cannot afford to think of any state that has been reliably blue as not-vulnerable, because the margins are extremely, extremely thin. If you look at more than just what color our state is on the map, historically, you’ll see what I’m talking about.
2016, Hilary won MN by 44.5k. Obama by 226k in 2012, and 298k in 2008. Kerry won only 98k. Gore won only by 59k. These kinds of margins are extremely thin, and very easy to tip. (which is why, in point of fact, Trump came back despite having previously had a terrible experience and vowing to not.)
We did lose a little bit by picking two more progressive people, and we do have to work to make up for it.
And that’s the point I’m trying to make. Walz is the kind of progressive whose capable of pulling the overton window more to the progressive side. It’s how he’s done what he’s done as MN’s gov. In part because he himself has become more progressive. that line about “compromising without compromised values” or however he put it wasn’t just idle banter or empty promises. he knows when and how to work through disagreements- and when not to.
He knows when to offer a hand shake and when to throw some haymakers, and he’s not going to let them throw their downright abusive and weird politics at us and insist we turn the other cheek because of some dubious moral superiority. When you start hitting back with “No, you’re a creep, (for looking at kid’s genitals)”… it’s very hard for the centrists to be like “yeah but both sides”. in some respects, bothsidesism was enabled by that very silence.
Note, I was not trying to say that all of MN always votes blue. I also find it a little odd how personally you’re taking this. So, what I’m trying to point out, is that if you’re accustomed to “MN nice”, you do not have an accurate understanding of the depth of the hatred prevalent in much of the rest of the country. It’s not some gentle misguidedness, it’s a deep-seated meanness and corruption, a hatred of others and the self. A deep shame.
Not in everyone, not at all. But very prevalent, very noticeable.
Personally I’m from a state not famous for nice people and having lots of lakes and a funny accent like MN is known throughout our nation for, but a state very famous for its racism and poor education ranking. So I’ve see it a lot, it’s unfortunate and sad.
Now, I love Walz, Minnesotans and progressive values, but try not to be too surprised by the depth of the hatred out there, and just how dark and immune to the overton window the actual fascist-loving folks of the world can be. This is not some cure-all. The cure to it will be crushing it in an election, weathering the possible terrorism incidents that result, and proving that they’re all losers.
When it comes to the moderates, people like Never Trumpers, I’ll be surprised if they respond well to progressive ideas, they don’t actually like equality, they just hate Trump more.
MN hasn’t gone red in a presidential in a whole lot of years, so it’s actually not.
And yes, if you go back to my original comment, that was more of less what I said, where we have a responsibility to provide energy and outreach. I just don’t think we should over-exaggerate how successful progressive messaging should be, as if moderates can simply be brushed aside and their disagreements with us ignored. We did lose a little bit by picking two more progressive people, and we do have to work to make up for it.
that’s an idiotic and dismissive take. Sorry. but you really don’t know anything about us, or our politics.
Biden won MN by 230k votes. in 2020. To put that in perspective, there were a total of 3.2 million votes total. it’s the kind of thinking that lost Michigan in 2016, which was won by Obama in 2012 by 450k votes.
In 2020, Biden barely squeaked out a win, with the closest three states (GA, AZ, WI) having less than 20k votes. Democrats cannot afford to think of any state that has been reliably blue as not-vulnerable, because the margins are extremely, extremely thin. If you look at more than just what color our state is on the map, historically, you’ll see what I’m talking about.
2016, Hilary won MN by 44.5k. Obama by 226k in 2012, and 298k in 2008. Kerry won only 98k. Gore won only by 59k. These kinds of margins are extremely thin, and very easy to tip. (which is why, in point of fact, Trump came back despite having previously had a terrible experience and vowing to not.)
And that’s the point I’m trying to make. Walz is the kind of progressive whose capable of pulling the overton window more to the progressive side. It’s how he’s done what he’s done as MN’s gov. In part because he himself has become more progressive. that line about “compromising without compromised values” or however he put it wasn’t just idle banter or empty promises. he knows when and how to work through disagreements- and when not to.
He knows when to offer a hand shake and when to throw some haymakers, and he’s not going to let them throw their downright abusive and weird politics at us and insist we turn the other cheek because of some dubious moral superiority. When you start hitting back with “No, you’re a creep, (for looking at kid’s genitals)”… it’s very hard for the centrists to be like “yeah but both sides”. in some respects, bothsidesism was enabled by that very silence.
Note, I was not trying to say that all of MN always votes blue. I also find it a little odd how personally you’re taking this. So, what I’m trying to point out, is that if you’re accustomed to “MN nice”, you do not have an accurate understanding of the depth of the hatred prevalent in much of the rest of the country. It’s not some gentle misguidedness, it’s a deep-seated meanness and corruption, a hatred of others and the self. A deep shame.
Not in everyone, not at all. But very prevalent, very noticeable.
Personally I’m from a state not famous for nice people and having lots of lakes and a funny accent like MN is known throughout our nation for, but a state very famous for its racism and poor education ranking. So I’ve see it a lot, it’s unfortunate and sad.
Now, I love Walz, Minnesotans and progressive values, but try not to be too surprised by the depth of the hatred out there, and just how dark and immune to the overton window the actual fascist-loving folks of the world can be. This is not some cure-all. The cure to it will be crushing it in an election, weathering the possible terrorism incidents that result, and proving that they’re all losers.
When it comes to the moderates, people like Never Trumpers, I’ll be surprised if they respond well to progressive ideas, they don’t actually like equality, they just hate Trump more.