Who’s replying to me talking about open borders in Europe (or more precisely, the Schengen area.) If you’ve got yourself a Schengen visa, then you’ll be treated just the same as residents, being subjected to a border check on borders which cross non-Schengen to Schengen.
I think there’s s rather clear implication that these checks happen or not, based on how Western European you look to the border control. I’m saying it’s not how those borders work.
I’m saying it doesn’t work like this, which is what I think is what he was implying.
Most of those non-white people the right hate are outside europe. So they would have to go through border checks and immigration before getting a Schengen visa. This isn’t hard bro.
The tactics conservatives use has more to do with legally obtaining a visa for example by restricting which nationalities are eligible. It should never be based on the meme from a TV show. You’re taking a family guy joke too literally lol.
So to recap; this is a thread about my comment saying we Europeans enjoy open borders.
Someone argued that Western Europeans get to enjoy this free movement without harassment, but that “certain” people don’t.
Now you’ve moved the goalposts all the way to “no but you don’t know how much right wing policy has actually increased scrutiny of specific groups within the Schengen visa applications”, when in the last comment it was “you’ll be subjected to border control and immigration”?
Before that it was “what you’re saying is irrelevant to the thread.” Which happens to be mine.
Europe enjoys free borders, in the West and the East.
He explicitly stated Western Europeans would get treated differently, implying “a random security screening” would be less likely with a “western European” face.
I am not the one shifting goalposts here. You just keep not getting it, over and over again. Immigration inside europe is not the thing I am concerned about here, it’s more restictions placed on immigrants from outside of europe of europe that is the concern. In the worst case countries could easily leave Schengen, it’s probably less difficult than leaving the EU - which has already happened in one case due to fears of immigration. You keep saying the EU is irrelevant when that map is literally has European Union written in the top left. You also don’t need Schengen to have open borders - anyone could travel to UK from other EU countries before we left the union. Also I am sure in that comment you are referecing there is a reason western is in brackets. It’s because the right wing while they prefer western europe to eastern europe still prefer european over non-european. Plus it’s harder politically to get rid of eastern europeans as it means leaving both Schengen and the EU - both of which are still possibilities btw. These things happen incrementally, so people from outside of europe would be the first to go.
Edit: honestly you have to be either trolling at this point or incurably stupid. Just look at the downvotes you are getting and think about why. It’s like you keep arguing and nitpicking without actually understanding what anyone else is trying to get across. Like we all understand what Schengen is, you don’t need to explain it. In fact I am not sure you even understand what it is given it’s created by the EU, and it’s the EU that enforces freedom of movement and the european single market, not Schengen which has more to do with customs and security.
That’s not what the guy was talking about. You keep talking about something that’s irrelevant.
“The guy”? My dude, you’re in a thread that I started, so I beg to differ.
This guy: https://lemmy.world/comment/11731391
Who’s replying to me talking about open borders in Europe (or more precisely, the Schengen area.) If you’ve got yourself a Schengen visa, then you’ll be treated just the same as residents, being subjected to a border check on borders which cross non-Schengen to Schengen.
I think there’s s rather clear implication that these checks happen or not, based on how Western European you look to the border control. I’m saying it’s not how those borders work.
I’m saying it doesn’t work like this, which is what I think is what he was implying.
Most of those non-white people the right hate are outside europe. So they would have to go through border checks and immigration before getting a Schengen visa. This isn’t hard bro.
Again, there’s a standard border check. Unless you’re a refugee without papers, you’ll have gotten your visa before actually walking up to the check.
It’s not a subjective “check those brown people.” It’s a “papers please”, for everyone.
You don’t go through border checks and immigration when applying for a visa.
The tactics conservatives use has more to do with legally obtaining a visa for example by restricting which nationalities are eligible. It should never be based on the meme from a TV show. You’re taking a family guy joke too literally lol.
So to recap; this is a thread about my comment saying we Europeans enjoy open borders.
Someone argued that Western Europeans get to enjoy this free movement without harassment, but that “certain” people don’t.
Now you’ve moved the goalposts all the way to “no but you don’t know how much right wing policy has actually increased scrutiny of specific groups within the Schengen visa applications”, when in the last comment it was “you’ll be subjected to border control and immigration”?
Before that it was “what you’re saying is irrelevant to the thread.” Which happens to be mine.
Europe enjoys free borders, in the West and the East.
He explicitly stated Western Europeans would get treated differently, implying “a random security screening” would be less likely with a “western European” face.
I am not the one shifting goalposts here. You just keep not getting it, over and over again. Immigration inside europe is not the thing I am concerned about here, it’s more restictions placed on immigrants from outside of europe of europe that is the concern. In the worst case countries could easily leave Schengen, it’s probably less difficult than leaving the EU - which has already happened in one case due to fears of immigration. You keep saying the EU is irrelevant when that map is literally has European Union written in the top left. You also don’t need Schengen to have open borders - anyone could travel to UK from other EU countries before we left the union. Also I am sure in that comment you are referecing there is a reason western is in brackets. It’s because the right wing while they prefer western europe to eastern europe still prefer european over non-european. Plus it’s harder politically to get rid of eastern europeans as it means leaving both Schengen and the EU - both of which are still possibilities btw. These things happen incrementally, so people from outside of europe would be the first to go.
Edit: honestly you have to be either trolling at this point or incurably stupid. Just look at the downvotes you are getting and think about why. It’s like you keep arguing and nitpicking without actually understanding what anyone else is trying to get across. Like we all understand what Schengen is, you don’t need to explain it. In fact I am not sure you even understand what it is given it’s created by the EU, and it’s the EU that enforces freedom of movement and the european single market, not Schengen which has more to do with customs and security.