• @T00l_shed
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    461 month ago

    And for those who it’s absolutely needed, just fuck them I guess?

    • Rentlar
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      -11 month ago

      In a sense that there needs to be a way to show that the status quo of only maintaining/expanding car infrastructure and providing nothing else as viable alternative is a dead one. Ridiculous insurance increases is part of that.

      Fixed route and Accessible buses are possible even in smaller cities like Missoula, MT, population 70k, which provides fare-free transit service to its residents. In bigger cities, mass transit, urban and interurban rail needs to be explored and expanded today, else these problems will only get worse with no end in sight.

      • @T00l_shed
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        161 month ago

        Sure, but that doesn’t mean that those who have no other choice should be punished.

        • @[email protected]
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          Cagers are not being punished. They’re still not paying the actual cost of car dependency. They’re still being subsidized by non-drivers who are actually continuing to be punished.

          • @T00l_shed
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            01 month ago

            Cagers? How so? Having my own space means I’m a “cager?”

      • @return2ozmaOP
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        271 month ago

        I live in the LA area. By car, 45 minutes to work. By bus, 3 buses and 4 hours one way.

        • @the_toast_is_gone
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          141 month ago

          In my city, if I want to arrive at my office at 8AM, I need to leave my apartment by car at 7:45. If I want to be within a block or so of my office by that same time, I need to leave my apartment at 6:15 to find a bus stop and ride on three different buses. Getting home by bus after ending my shift at 5:30 (I work 9 hour shifts and get every other Friday off), I would get home about 7:15.

          Consider that I’m paid roughly $35 an hour pre-tax. If I do this every day for a month, the time this costs me would be equivalent to more than a two week paycheck.

          Why would I take the bus?

          • @[email protected]
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            31 month ago

            I have zero interest in riding a bus for the same reason and I’ll add that I’d rather not sit in a bus with a bunch of other people. Hard pass.

              • @[email protected]
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                21 month ago

                I’m not afraid of someone doing something to me, I’m more concerned with whatever illness they may have. People are gross, I like my space. You do you and ride a packed a buss full of people with some no doubt sick, and some with terrible hygiene that stink. I’ll ride in my luxurious and fast car enjoying my heat and a/c with my heated/ac seats and great sound system.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 month ago

            Car manufacturers have lobbied to make America only accessible by car. As a consequence, you now have no sensible choice but to drive everywhere. Imagine if gas prices were to double tomorrow. What would you do?

          • @[email protected]
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            -71 month ago

            If you have 15min drive to office, that would be ~15-45min with bicycle and save you a good bunch yearly if you want to put it that way

            • @the_toast_is_gone
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              It would take me about 45 minutes one way. It could work, assuming it never rained or snowed (both will absolutely happen here in upstate NY) and my exercise-induced asthma didn’t prevent me physically from doing so. Don’t get me wrong, I love my ebike for quick zips around town, but it’s no replacement for my car at this point. It can’t function in the rain or snow and, even if it could, I don’t want to risk injuring myself by riding on un-shoveled sidewalks or the slurry of death that accumulates on the sides of the road from the snow plows. Plus I have to keep my work laptop dry, and I’d be much less safe against the US’s notoriously brutal cyclist ignorance.

              • Zoot
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                11 month ago

                As someone with Excercise-Induced asthma i must ask; Dont you have an emergency inhaler? Also going for walks does gradually build up your endurance, just obviously never overdo it (especially in the winter, you will keel over and simply die).

                But, as the future is looking less and less car centric it would be a good idea to start now.

                • @the_toast_is_gone
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                  I do, yes, but in every single gym class I’ve been in I would have to stop what I was doing completely and use my inhaler. The school tried having me use it before the exercise, but that did nothing.

                  • Zoot
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                    11 month ago

                    I played hockey and had to do the same (30 second shifts were all I could do, but thats all you need to do!)

                    Trust me I know an emergency isn’t anywhere near enough for extended strenuous workouts. However, it does allow you to throw your hands up and continue to walk.

                    None of this is meant to come down on you either, this was just how I was able to get myself to a point where I personally can run a mile now without wanting to die. More of an “If you ever wanted, im sure you could!”

        • @T00l_shed
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          41 month ago

          I couldn’t do public transit like that. My anxiety wouldn’t let me. The amount of sick people crammed into busses and trains like that. It makes me start to panic. Like in Japan where they force you in an over packed train…I get for many people it’s NBD but I couldn’t do it.

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            It’s amazing how car dependency is so ingrained that leaving a cage induces agoraphobia, anxiety, and related psychological traumas.

            • @T00l_shed
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              11 month ago

              Nah, it’s that people are shitty and gross.

        • @grue
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          -71 month ago

          How is it anybody else’s fault that you chose to live stupidly far from your job?

          • @return2ozmaOP
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            111 month ago

            If I moved closer to my work, my rent would increase about $800+

            • @grue
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              -101 month ago

              Or your square footage could go down. Or instead of moving closer to your job, you could find a different job closer to your home. Point is, you do have options. They might take compromises, but they’re there.

              • @smokin_shinobi
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                121 month ago

                You’re asking them to compromise food and shelter so the only point you’re making is that you’re an asshole.

              • @return2ozmaOP
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                91 month ago

                I’m in a rent controlled unit. I’m not moving.

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                square footage could go down.

                Could it though? Don’t know if you noticed but the rental market is completely fucked in NA. For most people this would mean renting a room instead of an apartment, which doesn’t work well if you for example, are a family of 4.

                find a different job closer

                There are no guarantees for this because jobs of people’s industries which pay them the money they need to support themselves and their families are not geographically distributed evenly. If you have years of tenure at your workplace as well, it is a big fucking risk to change jobs unless you have a really, really, good reason to do so as well.

                Point is, you might have these options but it doesn’t mean everyone does. People’s lives and options are not so black and white as you seem to think.

          • @smokin_shinobi
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            51 month ago

            Who were they trying to blame?? They are just saying for their situation they need a car to survive.