I have absolutely no idea why you keep insisting that I like genocide (or Israel buying candidates?). It makes it pointless to talk to you because you are attacking points of view that have nothing to do with what I think. I just don’t want to have an extensive argument about what it is that I believe with someone telling me, no, you don’t, you believe this other thing instead. That’s the reason I have generally given up on talking to you; I’m not sure what I was thinking just now. Mostly I was just trying to help you understand this article.
You asked a perfectly fair question though which I will answer – here’s a poll about the Americans’ feelings about the war. How you ask the questions and what questions you ask and how you tee them up make a pretty significant difference to what people say, but that one seems pretty honestly organized and comprehensive, and they’re transparent about what exactly they asked. 34% say the way Israel is fighting the “war” is unacceptable, 38% say it’s acceptable, 26% say they’re not sure.
I think that attitude is because they’re profoundly confused about what is happening in Gaza because of our atrocious media, not that 38% of Americans understand that it’s a genocide and want Israel to be doing that. I only summarized as “fine with genocide” because I thought they were fine with aid to Israel (which a lot of them don’t understand the implications of)… I have now learned from reading this that they don’t. The little four-quadrants chart shows that if you limit it to people who say “yes” or “no” about military aid to Israel, you get 64% “no.” Holy shit. That’s way higher than I thought.
I have absolutely no idea why you keep insisting that I like genocide (or Israel buying candidates?).
It’s because, much like linkerbaan. They’re here to virtue signal. They will reject obtainable but imperfect solutions and the groups involved. Harangue and attack anyone who supports it for any reason. They have no workable solutions, and won’t help Palestinians in any meaningful way. But woe unto anyone who points it out.
It’s worse than that, with both users - they are literally making up nonsense so they can posture as the one who is pro-Palestinian to the point of getting hostile with someone else who is also pro-Palestinian. If they were criticizing my imperfect solution that would at least make some kind of sense.
With Linkerbaan I feel like I have a strong understanding of why they are doing it. With Ensign_Crab I am totally lost as to why. I genuinely have no kind of ill will towards them in any way and they’re convinced that I am some kind of vicious pro-Israel enemy, in a way that is totally confusing to me.
I mean, the only thing you want to hear is agreement with your position regarding genocide, so there is nothing I’m going to say that will satisfy you.
Not at all. Mozz and I often disagree. We did in a thread above this. Even though I disagreed with their position and posted a rebuttal. I still up voted them. Because they can express their views in a mature reasonable fashion. Without resorting to name calling, strawmen, and general BS rhetorical attacks. Disagreement and debate is natural and fine. People supposedly old enough to know better acting childish, not so much.
I have absolutely no idea why you keep insisting that I like genocide (or Israel buying candidates?)
Maybe it’s because you keep answering people being upset at the actions of a genocidal apartheid regime and its supporters by downplaying it and trying to spin it as acceptable or even good.
Oh, don’t worry! They’re totally drawing back! They only bought who they thought they could buy! They’re spending their pro-genocide dollar wisely! Isn’t that great? That’s not a step in the right direction to anyone who doesn’t support genocide.
That’s naked brazen corruption in favor of genocide.
Maybe it’s because you keep answering people being upset at the actions of a genocidal apartheid regime and its supporters by downplaying it and trying to spin it as acceptable or even good.
This is the exact opposite of what I generally am doing, including right now in this thread. Like I say, I have no idea what’s in your head when you create this imaginary conflict. Good luck though. I hope your issue gets better over time.
I have absolutely no idea why you keep insisting that I like genocide (or Israel buying candidates?). It makes it pointless to talk to you because you are attacking points of view that have nothing to do with what I think. I just don’t want to have an extensive argument about what it is that I believe with someone telling me, no, you don’t, you believe this other thing instead. That’s the reason I have generally given up on talking to you; I’m not sure what I was thinking just now. Mostly I was just trying to help you understand this article.
You asked a perfectly fair question though which I will answer – here’s a poll about the Americans’ feelings about the war. How you ask the questions and what questions you ask and how you tee them up make a pretty significant difference to what people say, but that one seems pretty honestly organized and comprehensive, and they’re transparent about what exactly they asked. 34% say the way Israel is fighting the “war” is unacceptable, 38% say it’s acceptable, 26% say they’re not sure.
I think that attitude is because they’re profoundly confused about what is happening in Gaza because of our atrocious media, not that 38% of Americans understand that it’s a genocide and want Israel to be doing that. I only summarized as “fine with genocide” because I thought they were fine with aid to Israel (which a lot of them don’t understand the implications of)… I have now learned from reading this that they don’t. The little four-quadrants chart shows that if you limit it to people who say “yes” or “no” about military aid to Israel, you get 64% “no.” Holy shit. That’s way higher than I thought.
It’s because, much like linkerbaan. They’re here to virtue signal. They will reject obtainable but imperfect solutions and the groups involved. Harangue and attack anyone who supports it for any reason. They have no workable solutions, and won’t help Palestinians in any meaningful way. But woe unto anyone who points it out.
It’s worse than that, with both users - they are literally making up nonsense so they can posture as the one who is pro-Palestinian to the point of getting hostile with someone else who is also pro-Palestinian. If they were criticizing my imperfect solution that would at least make some kind of sense.
With Linkerbaan I feel like I have a strong understanding of why they are doing it. With Ensign_Crab I am totally lost as to why. I genuinely have no kind of ill will towards them in any way and they’re convinced that I am some kind of vicious pro-Israel enemy, in a way that is totally confusing to me.
Ardent Biden defender claims he is supporting Palestinians
Yet you can’t provided any proof of it. Childish name calling is all you’ve got.:-)
Conservatives whine about virtue signaling.
Other people do too. The term existed long before they incorrectly started using it. And the fact that this is your only rebuttal. Is pretty damning.
I mean, the only thing you want to hear is agreement with your position regarding genocide, so there is nothing I’m going to say that will satisfy you.
Not at all. Mozz and I often disagree. We did in a thread above this. Even though I disagreed with their position and posted a rebuttal. I still up voted them. Because they can express their views in a mature reasonable fashion. Without resorting to name calling, strawmen, and general BS rhetorical attacks. Disagreement and debate is natural and fine. People supposedly old enough to know better acting childish, not so much.
And the old “you don’t agree with me so you’re a child” boomer argument.
More name calling, seething and trying to cope. I’d ask if that was all you had. But I think that’s rather obvious at this point.
Enjoy the candidates the genocidal regime bought you.
Maybe it’s because you keep answering people being upset at the actions of a genocidal apartheid regime and its supporters by downplaying it and trying to spin it as acceptable or even good.
Oh, don’t worry! They’re totally drawing back! They only bought who they thought they could buy! They’re spending their pro-genocide dollar wisely! Isn’t that great? That’s not a step in the right direction to anyone who doesn’t support genocide.
That’s naked brazen corruption in favor of genocide.
This is the exact opposite of what I generally am doing, including right now in this thread. Like I say, I have no idea what’s in your head when you create this imaginary conflict. Good luck though. I hope your issue gets better over time.
A genocidal apartheid regime bought candidates.
Keep ignoring this. Gaslight instead.