“The Democratic Party has not only been complicit, but it has been an investor, a collaborator, in genocide and in the slaughter and displacement of thousands of Palestinians – not only in the last 10 months, but in the last 76 years,” the Party for Socialism and Liberation’s Claudia De la Cruz told reporters on Monday.
“We need to sit and hold that truth as people in the belly of empire, and we must understand our historic responsibility to do something for the sake of humanity.”
The news conference, organized by the Abandon Harris (formerly [Abandon Biden])campaign, took place as Democratic delegates and leaders come together to celebrate the nomination of Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.
Is there a an “abandon Trump campaign”, though? I’m not insinuating that Biden isn’t gargling Netanyahu’s balls. I’m insinuating that Stein is a willing spoiler candidate.
You know, Democrats should try appealing to anti-war voters instead of accusing them of having hidden agendas.
I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win. Appeal to them. Don’t insult them.
I remember when Hillary accused Tulsi Gabbard (who built her brand on being anti-war) of being a Russian agent. How well did that go for Hillary?
Even if Gabbard was a Russian agent, it does not inspire anti-war voters when you say that the only anti-war candidates are foreign agents. (I’d be like “well I guess I’m voting for the Russian then”.)
She wants to provide no support for Ukraine, and for the US to leave nato. Which are the two things Putin wants the US to do. If she’s not willingly a Russian agent, she’s still very pro-Russia.
We should encourage Ukraine to be neutral–we helped foment a coup against a democratically-elected government, resulting in a government where ultra-nationalists and ex-Nazis came to power.
First off, while Obama definitely offered verbal support to the people of Ukraine, we certainly didn’t incite the euromaidan revolution (which was sparked by Yanukovych ignoring parliament and moving closer to Russia instead of Europe- like the people wanted.) no, the five billion we spent in aid wasn’t to incite euromaidan- it was development assistance for ex-soviet states, spent over 20 years and mostly approved before Obama was ever president.
Which brings us to how she’s practically reading off Russian propaganda. Remember how Putin’s “special military action” was to “eliminate nazis”? They’ve been using that one for a long time.
Guess that makes you pro genocide then, because in this world, ethics are messy, and not getting involved means allowing Russia to genocide Ukrainians.
If you’re going to be a condescending, the least you could do is actually be accurate.
Because the Biden administration is the one committing genocide in Gaza. Not the Trump administration.
Neither Biden, his administration, nor American troops in general are actively engaged in combat operations in Gaza. Sure, we’re supplying arms, and yes, we can be critical of biden.
By all means. I certainly am and have been.
However, Harris doesn’t set his administration’s policy agenda. that’s why it’s the “Biden Administration” and not “the Harris Administration”, right?
Further, is it really that hard to grasp that in our stupid electoral system the choice is between either Trump or Harris, and that there are no circumstances at all in which Trump would be more beneficial to Palestinians?
We both know that the election is between Harris and Trump, at least baring some unforeseeable thing happening like trump dying from choking down a hamburger.
We also know that Stein has had dinner with Putin, and wants to pull the US out of nato, and in none of the pro-stein/Green Party stuff here, has there been any criticism of trump.
I would love it if the US didn’t have a de facto 2 party system, but we do. That’s how it is. Not voting for Harris isn’t a vote for trump, but then, you should ask yourself which of the two candidates of the 2 parties that actually have a chance, is the one who best represents you.
Because if you care about Gaza and what Israel is doing, that’s not trump.
I feel same way. This crowd and their bullying attitude has definitely reinforced my choice to vote third party. I’m more proud of it every day that I read replies here.
A choice that helps elect a side you’re least aligned with.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, you agree with Harris 90% of the time, and you agree with Trump, I dunno, 4% of the time (hey, he’s right on not taxing tips, right?)
But your 10% disagreement causes you to vote 3rd party.
That 3rd party has 0 chance of winning. Source: No 3rd party has won ANY state since 1968, and even then, they didn’t win enough to sway the election.
So you’ve removed a vote from a viable candidate, whom you agree with 90% of the time, and given it to a non-viable candidate. Had they not been an option, your vote would have supported the candidate most in line with you.
It’s pretty telling that they’re not critical of “kill them faster” trump.
Oh, they have been very critical of Trump as well. Maybe that doesn’t show up so much in this article, but they definitely do NOT like Trump.
Even tho this community would like you to believe they are all trying to get Trump elected. lol
*emphasis mine
Oh yes. That’s quite clear.
Where’s the lie, though? This is 100% accurate.
Did I say there was a lie?
Is there a an “abandon Trump campaign”, though? I’m not insinuating that Biden isn’t gargling Netanyahu’s balls. I’m insinuating that Stein is a willing spoiler candidate.
She’s not though.
You know, Democrats should try appealing to anti-war voters instead of accusing them of having hidden agendas.
I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win. Appeal to them. Don’t insult them.
I remember when Hillary accused Tulsi Gabbard (who built her brand on being anti-war) of being a Russian agent. How well did that go for Hillary?
Even if Gabbard was a Russian agent, it does not inspire anti-war voters when you say that the only anti-war candidates are foreign agents. (I’d be like “well I guess I’m voting for the Russian then”.)
Did… you just reply to yourself?
As for stein….
She wants to provide no support for Ukraine, and for the US to leave nato. Which are the two things Putin wants the US to do. If she’s not willingly a Russian agent, she’s still very pro-Russia.
I mean, here’s her own words given after the 2014 Crimea invasion:
First off, while Obama definitely offered verbal support to the people of Ukraine, we certainly didn’t incite the euromaidan revolution (which was sparked by Yanukovych ignoring parliament and moving closer to Russia instead of Europe- like the people wanted.) no, the five billion we spent in aid wasn’t to incite euromaidan- it was development assistance for ex-soviet states, spent over 20 years and mostly approved before Obama was ever president.
Which brings us to how she’s practically reading off Russian propaganda. Remember how Putin’s “special military action” was to “eliminate nazis”? They’ve been using that one for a long time.
If the only anti-genocide candidate in this election is a Russian agent, then I guess I’m voting for the Russian.
Guess that makes you pro genocide then, because in this world, ethics are messy, and not getting involved means allowing Russia to genocide Ukrainians.
Of course, people in this sub don’t believe that independent voters exist. You’re either “vote blue no matter who”, or you’re a Russian agent.
You uh, forgot to change accounts when replying to yourself.
I was adding to my previous thought.
Preach!
He says this, but he has yet to post an article of them actually being critical of Trump.
Because the Biden administration is the one committing genocide in Gaza. Not the Trump administration.
Is that too hard for you to understand?
If you’re going to be a condescending, the least you could do is actually be accurate.
Neither Biden, his administration, nor American troops in general are actively engaged in combat operations in Gaza. Sure, we’re supplying arms, and yes, we can be critical of biden.
By all means. I certainly am and have been.
However, Harris doesn’t set his administration’s policy agenda. that’s why it’s the “Biden Administration” and not “the Harris Administration”, right?
Further, is it really that hard to grasp that in our stupid electoral system the choice is between either Trump or Harris, and that there are no circumstances at all in which Trump would be more beneficial to Palestinians?
Voting third-party is also a choice.
Yup.
And it’s a choice they want democrats to take!
Ask yourself why.
They said why. You quoted it.
Pretty stupid reason to drop Harris when the other team would be far worse on that one issue.
Unless, of course, the real motivation is as a spoiler candidate.
So is there an “Abandon Trump” campaign? Because trump is universally worse on Gaza.
You’re honestly just driving me away from Harris.
Hey man, vote how you want.
We both know that the election is between Harris and Trump, at least baring some unforeseeable thing happening like trump dying from choking down a hamburger.
We also know that Stein has had dinner with Putin, and wants to pull the US out of nato, and in none of the pro-stein/Green Party stuff here, has there been any criticism of trump.
I would love it if the US didn’t have a de facto 2 party system, but we do. That’s how it is. Not voting for Harris isn’t a vote for trump, but then, you should ask yourself which of the two candidates of the 2 parties that actually have a chance, is the one who best represents you.
Because if you care about Gaza and what Israel is doing, that’s not trump.
Oh no! I better stop saying how I see things, if you’re being driven away from Harris. My sincerest apologies.
I feel same way. This crowd and their bullying attitude has definitely reinforced my choice to vote third party. I’m more proud of it every day that I read replies here.
A choice that helps elect a side you’re least aligned with.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, you agree with Harris 90% of the time, and you agree with Trump, I dunno, 4% of the time (hey, he’s right on not taxing tips, right?)
But your 10% disagreement causes you to vote 3rd party.
That 3rd party has 0 chance of winning. Source: No 3rd party has won ANY state since 1968, and even then, they didn’t win enough to sway the election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_United_States_presidential_election
So you’ve removed a vote from a viable candidate, whom you agree with 90% of the time, and given it to a non-viable candidate. Had they not been an option, your vote would have supported the candidate most in line with you.