• @[email protected]
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    729 days ago

    Agreed. We have allowed our democratic system to be quietly stolen from us without even really noticing. I think we either need to properly reclaim it or to start new systems away from it. The Fediverse is a really good example of the latter.

    • @rottingleaf
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      829 days ago

      The fediverse exists in the web, while they exist in the reality and command police, people in airports and train stations, military, internet service providers, etc.

      • wanderingmagus
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        329 days ago

        That’s why we should follow the example of the French and do a Revolution every now and then!

        • @rottingleaf
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          329 days ago

          Revolutions are destructive and have bad potential. But a certain degree of unchecked chaos is useful.

      • @[email protected]
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        328 days ago

        I would argue that the web is part of reality - it’s our main method of communication. It might be small but I think it’s a good example of successful self-organisation away from government/business/finance.

        • @rottingleaf
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          328 days ago

          It might be small but I think it’s a good example of successful self-organisation away from government/business/finance.

          It’s definitely not small, and backbones and intercontinental cables and such are not self-organization.

          Late 90-s and early 00-s web, however were such an example. But they still relied on benevolence of ICQ and AIM owners, OS vendors, organizations making standards.

          • @[email protected]
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            126 days ago

            Sorry, I was referring the Fediverse while you were referring to the internet as a whole. Limitations of written communication and all that!

            • @rottingleaf
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              126 days ago

              OK, then fediverse still relies on PKI.

                • @rottingleaf
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                  126 days ago

                  Public key infrastructure, but specifically - the current centralized system with root certificates which everyone trusts, that the Web uses.