• @jorp
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    153 months ago

    valuing personal liberty over collective liberty is both selfish and less conducive to a functioning society.

    • @rottingleaf
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      -183 months ago

      There’s no such thing as collective liberty without personal liberty.

      Also when person A says to person B “kill C” and B kills C, you don’t have to prosecute speech to punish A. They’ve made a request, or a command, which B follows.

      • @vxx
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        There’s countries where the personal right to not be harassed is valued higher than the right to harass people. France is one of them. UK as well I believe.

        You also don’t get to spread lies about someone and make them a target.

        • @rottingleaf
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          -123 months ago

          There’s countries where the personal right to not be harassed is valued higher than the right to harass people. France is one of them. UK as well I believe.

          Completely irrelevant who wrote what in which law.

          You also don’t get to spread lies about someone and make them a target.

          Telling lies is an attack on the listener. To determine lies in specific situations is sometimes a problem.

      • @jorp
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        103 months ago

        ok dismiss it without thinking about it. I guess things like human rights theory are wrong about individual and collective rights.

        • @rottingleaf
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          -123 months ago

          Theory can be objective on something objectively existing. Theory of a thing in itself can’t be right or wrong.

          Apparently when internet commenters want to argue my opinions, the best of them decide not to.

          • @jorp
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            93 months ago

            This 28 year old libertarian has it all figured out, everyone else can go home now

        • @rottingleaf
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          -103 months ago

          One is participating in a decision, another is all communication.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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            53 months ago

            Do you ever have to use anything to augment your vision when you’re splitting hairs that fine?

            • @rottingleaf
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              -93 months ago

              One has to split them that fine as a civilized human.

              Because free speech is not about letting people you agree to disagree with speak, it’s about letting people you’d want quartered speak. That is, not deciding whether they speak at all.

              • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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                33 months ago

                Hasn’t it already been established that free speech has limitations?

                • @rottingleaf
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                  -53 months ago

                  Just like one’s right to own and use knives has limitations and no more.