It was an amazing franchise to begin with. Yeah, there is a lot of cheese and camp - but, when it launched initially, it was relatively amazing character and story work.
The camp was kinda necessary to keep people there. They had to compete with this ffs:
I have to hard disagree here. SNW, in particular, has some really great stories. DS9 is arguably the best story telling of them all (though I’ve only seen random episodes personally), DSC is actually a really good story overall but the writers literally lost the plot. DS9 has the best overarching plot of them all. VOY had some unfortunate writing late in its run because the trope of “let’s get home” ran out. ENT suffered most from the writers writing characters more than a plot (imo). My point here being that there are so very many Treks that people can find their own enjoyment. My personal favorite is SNW. TNG was very instrumental for me growing up, but I refuse to allow the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia taint what I prefer, especially when Star Trek’s main points are diversity and inclusion - and the one time I was able to “see myself” in an episode was DSC.
So, no, I don’t think that it is arguable whatsoever that the shows after TNG had worse storytelling. They were (and are) simply different. Want an episodic anthology? Try TOS, TNG, or VOY. Want a deep story that lasts the entire time? Yeah, that’s DS9. Like people that are just trying to do science winding up in an insane situation? DSC. Want a modern retake on TOS with well-developed characters? SNW.
My overall point here is that while some may not like one version of Star Trek, there are many who will love it. Personal tastes are important, and that is why it is important to find your Trek while refraining from bashing, taunting, or bullying the people that like the stuff you do not.
It’s amazing how cheesy the original series was sometimes, and how it survived that to evolve into an amazing franchise.
It was an amazing franchise to begin with. Yeah, there is a lot of cheese and camp - but, when it launched initially, it was relatively amazing character and story work.
The camp was kinda necessary to keep people there. They had to compete with this ffs:
cheese is not necessarily a bad thing
And had arguably better stories than anything after TnG
I have to hard disagree here. SNW, in particular, has some really great stories. DS9 is arguably the best story telling of them all (though I’ve only seen random episodes personally), DSC is actually a really good story overall but the writers literally lost the plot. DS9 has the best overarching plot of them all. VOY had some unfortunate writing late in its run because the trope of “let’s get home” ran out. ENT suffered most from the writers writing characters more than a plot (imo). My point here being that there are so very many Treks that people can find their own enjoyment. My personal favorite is SNW. TNG was very instrumental for me growing up, but I refuse to allow the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia taint what I prefer, especially when Star Trek’s main points are diversity and inclusion - and the one time I was able to “see myself” in an episode was DSC.
So, no, I don’t think that it is arguable whatsoever that the shows after TNG had worse storytelling. They were (and are) simply different. Want an episodic anthology? Try TOS, TNG, or VOY. Want a deep story that lasts the entire time? Yeah, that’s DS9. Like people that are just trying to do science winding up in an insane situation? DSC. Want a modern retake on TOS with well-developed characters? SNW.
My overall point here is that while some may not like one version of Star Trek, there are many who will love it. Personal tastes are important, and that is why it is important to find your Trek while refraining from bashing, taunting, or bullying the people that like the stuff you do not.