Arctic is a (much) better Lemmy client than any other out there for iOS at least but there are some nifty features for the most recommended app Voyager like the ability to disable side swipes altogether because Apollo’s (reddit) double-tap to upvote for example is much intuitive where side swipes are used to enter and exit communities, posts, comments, menus, settings… or whole app together on Android or Jailbroken devices.

This is my multireddit link after removing u/user which were included as r/_u/redditor from an existing bug to test this for Arctic which would fully enable me along with a lot of us to leave Voyager behind.

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    1. I reinstalled the app fresh even and now on your TestFlight but couldn’t really figure out myself here. However, I tried going to accounts > profile and manually enable the push notification toggle which led to a spam of sound notifications with lockscreen being lit up every five seconds for the same notification until being turned off, the app crashed on the TestFlight version when hitting the Report Issue button under ⚙️ and continues to be the case even now.
    2. No disagreements here but I have noticed bullet lists can break inside Arctic app when using paragraph spacing. It’s fine in lemmy.world site but on the reddit iOS client for example one can hit return (enter) while pressing the shift button to introduce paragraph breaks inside the bullets and numbering just like the desktop site.
    3. I applaud your understanding on this issue but if am not mistaking this wrong then instead of having to toggle within the settings layer again, just integrate having to choose & allow together when attaching a new image unless all permission is granted from iOS Settings like in other apps. One thing I would like to ask is will it be possible to attach media outside of Photos app (as from anywhere - Files app for example) like in macOS? Also, for media attachments… can they be shown exactly where it’s mentioned instead of collecting in the bottom? Not sure why caption is necessary for each upload but the images can be above those captions that are forced to fill anyway so it maintains the flow of relevance.
    • @CreatureSurviveM
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      1. This is odd. I’ll have to look into this. Notifications have been working fine for the last year, but I received 2 reports about this issue this week. I’ll try and track this down tonight.
      2. I made some improvements to the bullet lists the other day, they will now have spacing between items in the list. For multiple paragraphs in list items, I’ll have to look into this, because you are right that they do not render correctly. All the text rendering in Arctic is completely custom, so it’s no surprise that missed some features. I will look into this though and try to find a solution.
      3. It seems that iOS changed some things with the image picker, and it’s no longer necessary to ask for photos access permission when selecting a photo. I’m going to look into this and see if I can’t simplify things for limited access. It’s definitely not ideal to have to select photos twice.
      4. As for displaying photos in-line, this is something that I’ve wanted to do for a while now, as currently any photos are just appended below the comment text. Like I said, the text rendering in Arctic is completely custom and this is a bit of a tricky task even though it may seem simple. For instance Apollo never managed to implement this either. IOS does support showing images in text views, though this would not work for gifs or videos due to limitations. I finally managed to get something working for this yesterday, and it’s now possible to display images or videos in-line. I do not have this fully implemented yet, as it does cause some text rendering issues that I’ll need to fix. I should definitely have this fully working here soon though. Also, with this new feature I should be able to improve support for spoilers and markdown tables using the same technique.
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        Regarding Numbered List: While making a response, the numbering stays right during editing mode - something to take note of that it can be fixed as I would be looking forward to subnumbered list like 1.1 → 1.2 next, instead of just 1 → 2

        Here’s reddit markdown wiki which is a good reference to bookmark for across all internet to follow in a synchronised manner.
        ↳ Personally, I would restrict italics to only _italics_ and bold to *bold*

        One thing however I don’t understand is the nature of spoiler here as opposed to anywhere else including reddit itself, the one on Lemmy is more like collapsible menu items than a spoiler. If you’re fixing the spoiler back to normal then I would request to rename the current spoiler system to something else which is good for sidebar rules but not really as a spoiler itself in comments.


        >!spoiler!<


        ::: menu Title Text :::


        Looking forward to the changes. ✌︎

        ^Also, looks like link previews have the same problem as images.^

        • @CreatureSurviveM
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          Lemmy as well as most of the Fediverse uses the CommonMark Specification any markdown features I add will either be supported by CommonMark or by Lemmy. I do not want to create a a new specification, or use the Reddit specification unless it is adopted by Lemmy.

          CommonMark does not support decimal numbers lists, so this is not an option as it would break list rendering on every other client. You have to remember that Lemmy is federated unlike Reddit. Users may be reading in a different app, on desktop, or even on a different platform like Mastodon. Changes like these need to be widely accepted and it would do more harm than good to implement breaking changes in Arctic that would not work correctly anywhere else.

          Same goes for spoilers, and restricting italic markers. If these features do not meet the standard, then they will just cause harm.

          As for in-line link previews. I’m not sure about this one. Most links are posted in context, like the middle of a sentence or paragraph. Putting previews in the middle like that would decrease readability. That’s partially why I treat them similar to footnotes and link them at the bottom of the context.

          With that said I could add soupy for this, but it would be an optional feature that would be off by default.

          • AvieshekOP
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            What am saying is, do we really need link previews? Also, haptic touch on hyperlinks is inconsistent or not optimised which immediately opens up the default browser.

            • @CreatureSurviveM
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              Ahh, I see. Link previews can be disabled in settings. I added this before I had support for haptic tough on links. Also I enjoyed this feature from Apollo.

              This is the first time I’ve heard about any issues with links. There is nothing special about the Haptic Touch for links, other than a custom background bubble. Are you jailbroken by chance? You’ve listed a few issues now that have never been reported before, and it makes me wonder if you perhaps have some conflicting tweaks that could be interfering. If not could you tell me your device and iOS version so I can try and figure out some of these issues.

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                Link previews are still needed for posts and such, it’s just that it doesn’t make sense everywhere like the references in comments.

                No, but I recently joined Lemmy and rather surprised this all have gone unnoticed given that you’re quite an active developer. However, Voyager community is much active if you were wondering.

                Device: iPhone X
                Version: iOS 16.7.10

                All of them are not necessarily bugs like when tapping the icon (say inbox) in the bottom panel doesn’t directly exit to the mainscreen from this comment thread for example which is universal whether you’re on a news app, rss feeder, AppStore or reddit where even on websites tapping home would directly lead one to the homepage but here (Posts) it doesn’t which is odd.

                • @CreatureSurviveM
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                  That is fair. There is a setting Settings > Appearance > Show Links In Comment which allows you to disable link previews in the comments section.

                  I do my best to fix issues as they are noticed, and I take all the feedback I can get. However, like you said, there is a much smaller following here than there is for apps like Voyager and Mlem, so I don’t get nearly as much feedback as I would like.

                  Being on an iPhone X makes sense. The iPhone X still had real force touch unlike all the newer phones which do not have pressure sensitive screens, and instead use a long-press for Haptic Touch. This should help in figuring out the issue you are having with links.

                  In Arctic tapping the active tab will scroll to the top, or act as a back gesture if you are already at the top. This was a feature that was requested early on from users coming over from Apollo, and missing that feature. I could definitely add an alternative option like this though.

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                    I just want to follow normal behaviour that’s also not individual to me if I am the only one to dig through settings and toggle the option because I learnt it here while others go on without it which may influence my perspective being one sided.

                    I am actually quite an active person no matter where I go, people keep complaining with frustrations even that this is bad and this is worse or this is convoluted but not exactly express why is it bad, where is it bad or how is it bad and can be improved instead of being crticial in the comments section whenever a discussion trends in an unrelated community or thread like c/AskLemmy recently for example, and still no efforts are made to visit the respective community and give their thoughts which is especially more clear if you’re humble and eager enough to hear my thoughts which is so respectful in my humble opinion.

                    I can understand the 3D Touch being lacking in newer phones hence why I suggested to continue using single tap for collapsing comments, double tap for upvote, and haptic touch to open the menu and select an option without lifting the finger at one go so the menu itself can become smaller. This was a show of understanding to declutter where you can even add triple tap for copying all text (without selection) as example while the one via menu shows select text option while keeping the list minimum.

                    Earlier, the icons were non-interactive element but since we have left gesture to go back layer wise, single tap on menu icons itself should directly reset to the main screen.

        • @CreatureSurviveM
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          I would love to do this, because you are right, the spoilers in Lemmy do not function the same as spoilers on any other platform. However I can’t add this as a feature since it would only be supported in Arctic and people browsing on desktop or any other client would not would not have support for this. So until Lemmy officially supports in-line spoilers like Reddit, we will have to make do with the current system.

          It doesn’t make sense to allow composing posts or comments that could only be properly viewed in Arctic.

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            If I were your business partner in a story, I would have said this would only help Arctic to become more exclusive and preferred over anything out there by popular choice since no one’s going to complain a standard practice and may even one day force Lemmy’s mind to prefer Arctic over Voyager rules if we keep going like this.

            Anyways, can we fix this? superscript

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              There has been an open issue for this on the Lemmy-UI GitHub for 2 years now. They use the CommonMark specification in Lemmy and so do I for Arctic.

              I do not want to try and strong arm the devs into adding a feature they may not want to add. Instead I may submit a pull request to Lemmy adding support for the inline spoiler tag. There does however seem to be some discrepancy about the format for the tag, since Markdown, nor html officially support inline spoilers.

              Also I am aware of the superscript issue in ton the composer, I do plan on fixing this, but it is low priority at the moment.

              • AvieshekOP
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                As long as it’s into consideration and not forgotten.