Take a look at these quotes from articles from the past 120 years. What can we make from them? Is climate change actually a big of a deal as it’s claimed? The fact that “climate change” is such political issue gives me doubt. Any political talking point should always be scrutinized and criticized. Politicians have an agenda and will use anything they can to push that agenda.
I’m not here to argue about climate change being real or not. Rather, I would like opinions about the website I shared
No reference. Misinformation is quick and easy to generate but time consuming to debunk. Unless he is providing a link to a peer-reviewed study, his words are just air (or electrons in this case). As I said, shock jocks are not credible experts. If they want my attention, they need to at least reference real research.
That’s the reference…
I would ask for a link, but I won’t bother because you asked for opinions about the website not a debate about the validity of climate change.
However, when I responded to your question about the website, you then stated “I feel like time, energy, and money could be better spent on other things. Like cleaning up the oceans.”
Looks to me like you are sealioning.
A link to what? The website shows excerpts from articles claiming global warming or global cooling, including saying things like “scientific fact/consensus” about the subject. It’s showing that this narrative of global climate change is nothing new.
Everyone can determine what that might imply about the subject for themselves.
A link to the primary source research. All you have provided is unverified claims about “he said, she said” from a questionable source. That’s not science.
It’s not about science here or any particular scientific research… it’s about how media outlets have been publishing articles by authors who claim the earth is warming or cooling and we are doomed very soon. And that this type of climate fear mongering (also, true or not, it is fear mongering) has been going around since 1900.
You seem to be either looking for someone to agree with you that a website by some scientific nobody casts the predictions about the dire outlook because of climate change into doubt. If so, you are in the wrong community and are definitely sealioning and attempting to spread misinformation.
As I’ve said repeatedly, informed people don’t look at websites like that, because they know they are used to generate FUD.
I’ve lived the consequences of climate change. I’ve fought fires burning in rainforest, where it has NEVER before burned. I’ve seen fires and floods unprecedented in scale. We are seeing warming 5 standard deviations above average. If you know a little about data science as you seem to imply, you know exactly what that means. The warning signs are clear and present. I’m past the point of giving people like Mark Simone the slightest benefit of the doubt.
Despite the narrative from mouthpieces like Mark Simone, the IPCC is actually a VERY conservative body. They have to release information which is able to stand up to rigorous scrutiny and challenge, and not upset established interests like governments and fossil fuel companies too much.
To quote the latest IPCC report (my emphasis added):
Dear lordy… I’m tired of trying to explain things here. The references are on that site, the references are of articles from several different sources such the “Times”, “the Washington post”, “the new York post”. There is no “misinformation.” You can find the whole articles that are referenced if you try. The point of this is to show how climate fear mongering has been going on for at least 120 years. Sometimes, it’s global cooling, and then it changes to global warming. I believe it goes to show that we don’t have the data points to accurately determine global warming. There is so much conjecture, opinions, and political agenda around “climate change.”
I thoroughly believed in the climate fear mongering until recently. I think I’ve lived long enough now to observe for myself that maybe all this climate change jazz is driven more by political agenda than anything else
So contrary to what you said in the post, you are pushing a perspective that climate change isn’t real.
No, I’m not. That was the first time I gave my personal opinion, and I shouldn’t have because I still have doubts and haven’t actually settled on one side or the other… “Climate change” by its very nature is super complex, involving many different data sets from all over the world.
Although, I do want people to be open to disagreeing perspectives or different scientific facts that suggest something different than the commonly accepted narrative of ANY topic anyway.
You are correct, we shouldn’t buy in to ‘commonly accepted narratives’. The world is complex and gaining a deep understanding of any one topic is the work of a lifetime. There is no way we can learn enough about everything to have an informed and educated opinion on every topic that we have to deal with over the course of our lives.
Making this more challenging is the fact that human brains are not very rational. They are rationalising. Think about that for a minute. It’s helpful to realise that about other people, but the real value is when you turn that lens back on yourself. Learning to think rationally takes a lot of training and hard work. The kind of work that scientists do to learn their discipline. Shock jocks are definitely not good places to go for for rational thought and conclusions. They are selling a product. Outrage. Which is in many ways the exact opposite of rationality.
By necessity, we have to stand on the shoulders of experts. If you want to decide how you feel about a topic look to the experts and disregard mouthpieces with no qualifications.
The IPCC reports are the output of real research by real experts. You should read them if you haven’t already.