• @[email protected]
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    643 months ago

    The more roads, the more opportunities your citizens have access to.

    I don’t think this is true.

    Also, those same people don’t want to live in Apartments that they’ll never be allowed to own,

    You can own an apartment

    packed like sardines in a population dense building.

    Density has a number of benefits. More cultural output, less isolation, it doesn’t feel like a post apocalypse scene when you go outside.

    So, roads allow them to have their own houses out in the suburbs - and the more of them, the faster they can get to their destination.

    This is satire, right? Poe’s law is real.

    This also supplies businesses with a wider reach of the population for whatever their needs are.

    Foot traffic is good for businesses and neighborhoods. Car traffic much less so

    And people don’t want to waste an extra 45 minutes getting to their destination by waiting on public transportation.

    Public transit is often faster. Plus I can do many more things on the train than I can while driving (reading, games, some kinds of work, etc)

    Delays are unacceptable.

    Car based transit introduces many delays.

    Your post is a joke right? I can’t tell.

    • @Jeanschyso
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      I was gonna respond to them but honestly, I couldn’t even begin to think of where. That comment was so wrong on so many levels.

      Just the simple fact that someone would unironically say that you can’t own a condo is just wild to me, let alone the rest.

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        You don’t own a condo. In a condo, there is generally no individual ownership of land; the unit owners jointly own the land and building exteriors. Each unit owner has rights only to the unit’s interior space. All other spaces are controlled by the condo owners’ association.

        It’s so wild that you’re so uneducated, and so confident all at the same time. You’re not taking reality for what it is, instead you’ve reached a conclusion - and then you work backwards to justify that conclusion, even to the point of deluding yourself into thinking something is one way, when it clearly isn’t; and then mocking someone for correcting you.

        Peak Lemmy right here folks.

        • @[email protected]
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          63 months ago

          Nobody is talking about land, they’re talking about housing. Nobody thought they owned the land underneath a condo, and frankly you’re the idiot for assuming as much.

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            You don’t own the interior like you think you do either. The condo can force you to sell it at any time they like. The concept of ownership begets control. If you don’t control it, then you aren’t the owner.

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              An HOA in a neighborhood of single family homes can do the same thing.

              Isn’t the whole idea that you dislike people being annoying? The point of that legislation is to remove people who are being egregiously annoying by breaking the rules of the HOA…

              It’s designed specifically for people like you!!!

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                HOAs were designed to keep black people, the poor, and other ‘unwantables’ out of rich white neighborhoods, so no - they were specifically designed to keep me out of them, but thanks.

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                  Wouldn’t you know it, car culture, roads, and suburbs were designed for the same exact reason and perpetuate the same bias to this day- looks like we have a common cause! The answer, however, is not creating an even more antisocial society or abandoning society altogether. Quite the opposite, actually.

                  • @kitnaht
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                    car culture, roads, and suburbs were designed for the same exact reason and perpetuate the same bias to this day

                    Yeah, I’m gonna disagree on that one.

        • @[email protected]
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          43 months ago

          You own a condo. That’s how it works. The shared land is a different matter.

          Please stop. You’re making embarrassingly bad arguments.

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            If you can’t read the article I referred to, I guess you can’t exactly discuss this in good faith now can you.

            The condo association controls how long you have that condo for. If they can force you to sell it at any time, then you don’t own it, do you…

            Can you make improvements to the condo? Put in a jacuzzi tub? Oh – you can’t. How about building new walls? Can’t do that either. Can you choose a different internet service provider? Oh, weird – condos have contracted providers that you’ve gotta use. For all of this “I can totally own a condo”…you sure aren’t able to do the things which beget actual ownership, now can you? So you can purchase temporary residence in a housing-cubicle – but don’t pretend that is actual ownership. If you owned it, you could demolish everything within and nobody would care. But that’s not the case. So you don’t own it.

            If I wanted to demolish my house tomorrow, I could. Because I own it. If I want to add walls, change electrical, paint it a new color, change the roof, add a second floor, add a jacuzzi tub, all things that I can do. Granted I have to get permits for some of those things, but condos control IF you can do those things at all.

            That’s not ownership. That’s a lease.

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              I’m perfectly happy living without those things. Especially if it means my neighbor’s stupid Jacuzzi tub isn’t going to cause mold in the building or come hurdling down through my ceiling.

              If I don’t like my condo, I’ll sell it and buy a better one, as there are improvements that I did which didn’t involve changing walls or electrical (which you can do with board approval if you really want to), like updating the kitchen and bathrooms and floors, and therefore it has most likely appreciated in value since I bought it. I have exclusive rights to the proceeds from the sale because I own it and I really have never had any urge do anything stupid that would piss off the HOA (re: my neighbors) because I’m a decent person and considerate of others. The community is worth that small sacrifice of not being an asshole.

              But ultimately, I’m not owning it as an investment vehicle. I’m owning it to live in and to keep my money in my own name instead of putting it into some landlord’s pocket.

              Demolition will not be necessary because I don’t care about the land underneath it, I care about the building itself.

              The internet is perfectly good and if it’s not, my neighbors will probably agree, and we can vote to change providers because we are all voting members of the HOA, but ideally that would be something provided by the city as it doesn’t really make sense to run multiple lines for multiple providers in a dense urban setting. In that case, the whole city gets to vote! I have up to 600mbps fiber optic in my current complex, though, so I don’t think that will really be necessary.

              I’m sure you’ll find a problem with that, but you’re way out in the country and don’t like cities anyways, so catering to you would probably not be very healthy for the city.

              Can I haz walkable city now?

        • @Jeanschyso
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          Being co-owner does mean you own it. It is a form of owning that is perfectly acceptable to me. I would gladly own a condo if I could afford it. I don’t need to own the land my property is on to consider myself a homeowner.

    • sunzu2
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      Poorly educated boomer likely… they just shill shit teevee told them 20 years ago because muhh property values.