• FuglyDuck
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    320 days ago

    Well, they are running under the Green Party label, so yeah, that counts at the party.

    but with virtually zero party support.

    Or maybe they want to make a difference and standing up for what is right. Even against the odds. I’m no fan of West, so I can’t speak to his convictions, but Stein and De la Cruz seem genuine to me.

    Shouting into the void might feel good and feel like standing up for something. and it accomplishes about as much. I would take a centrist like Angus King over them any day because he’s at least got an understanding of what can be done and where. If Stein and De La Cruz are genuine … I’m not sure that’s any better, to be honest. A presidential campaign is not a good vehicle for encouraging social change. Either run for office where you can push that change and improve lives, or protest outside of it.

    But don’t tell me they’re changing discourse somehow. The needle hasn’t move. has never moved. at least not because of the campaigns.

    • Socialist BerserkerOP
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      -320 days ago

      but with virtually zero party support.

      They had green party support.

      Stein and De La Cruz might not win, but they do play a crucial role in pushing the political conversation by highlighting issues that the major parties prefer to avoid. Their campaigns can bring attention to important topics like climate change, healthcare reform, and income inequality, which forces the mainstream candidates to address these issues to avoid losing votes.

      The needle hasn’t move. has never moved. at least not because of the campaigns.

      While it might seem like the needle hasn’t moved, the presence of third-party candidates has historically influenced the platforms of major parties, as we’ve seen with issues like minimum wage increases and environmental policies.

      Running for office at any level—whether local, state, or national—contributes to the broader fight for social change by challenging the entrenched two-party system and advocating for alternative solutions.

      • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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        120 days ago

        as we’ve seen with issues like minimum wage increases

        When was that?

        Minimum wage has been $7.25/hr since 2009.