The move is a show that the U.S. does hold power over Israel’s actions — but chooses not to act in crucial ways.
Archived version: https://archive.ph/lfKmn
The move is a show that the U.S. does hold power over Israel’s actions — but chooses not to act in crucial ways.
Archived version: https://archive.ph/lfKmn
I think you misunderstand. I am not saying the US has no influence. No one is saying the US has no influence, only the article you posted says that.
The US has some influence, no question. It’s just about how much? Some influence is between total control and no control.
Regarding threats, well, they have so far demonstrated to be fairly weak. It was our actions to withhold bombs over the Rafah invasion that produced the most results.
Lastly, they certainly have alternatives. The current status quo is not the only status quo possible, there are other powers they could align with if they so chose. Additionally, money can be borrowed, as the US is quite well-known for doing these days.
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US bombed Belgrade… US can bomb tel aviv until Israelis submit…
That would be grossly unpopular with the US public, even among progressives. It would quite possibly result in an attempt at impeaching the president.
Whether we like it or not, our older generations like Israel. They remember the pre-Netanyahu days, when Israel was dismantling its own West Bank settlements, and sometimes earlier when it was being warred on by all its neighbors. In our democratic society their opinions need to be considered.
Theoretically, yes though, we could. We also bombed ISIS to save the Yazidis.
Yes and these Americans appear to be fine isrsel committing genocide…
So yes genocide will continue and US will continue to enable it.
They also operate under an old, outdated definition of the word genocide, where it used to mean the attempted killing of all of a certain group, instead of simply erasing their way of life. This is one of the reasons I prefer ethnic cleansing, as the definition of that has not changed in recent history, and it’s equally bad.
Overall I am hoping Harris hardens her stance on Netanyahu once she is past the election. But yes, you might be right.
How is Israel not attempting to kill all of Gaza residents. They already killed about 2-3% in under one year. Rest are in near starvation conditions, these people are placed into open air camps …
How is this different from what Germany did?
The only difference I see, there is no forced labour.
Genuine question…
Germany was gassing them all en masse, an industrial level of extermination delivered with unargued intent. Even then, many people were reluctant to believe it at the time, until evidence was uncovered after the camps were captured and investigated. Even with that evidence we still have deniers.
Israel is operating a step below that. They do allow some food aid in, just not in sufficient quantities to alleviate the starvation. They’re keeping them on the brink, but not finishing it, just toe-ing that line. The killing could be completed quickly if they decided to. This hazier state of affairs reinforces people’s inclinations to disbelieve in atrocities, unfortunately.
A lot of mental gymsnastics in there… I guess until israelis get gas chambers, nothing to see here lol
We really do deserve the regime we got, sad Gaza residents have to die for it.
Yea. The world is full of mental gymnastics unfortunately. Nothing is simple when people’s perceptions are the topic.
Global affairs make the problem even worse, since ethics are not fundamental to international affairs. In the eyes of many leaders, population is a statistic, a resource to be utilized just like how much money or oil or how many tanks and jets you have. Democracy tries to remedy this somewhat by making leaders vulnerable to being voted out, but cannot do so completely.
So is it nobody or is it somebody? You can’t have it both ways…
And past precedents showed that it has total control. You don’t seem to dispute that.
What results? Those bombs are already released and ready to be used to kill children.
Can you provide any examples of who would those powers be? From a geopolitical perspective, the US only cares about Israel because of the ability to use them as a launching point for their wars in the Middle East. Russia’s or China’s have opposite interest of Israel as they support Arabs for different reasons, EU doesn’t give a shit and the rest of NATO countries will follow US lead.
Good luck with borrowing as even with US support, their credit rating is being lowered. They have no economic power, only geopolitical one and only with US. Why the hell do you think they spend billions of dollars in US elections?
Okay, the article you posted claims someone said that the US has no control. That was a lie, when the article they linked to made no such claim.
I absolutely dispute this. Did we make them attack one of our navy ships decades ago? Did we make Netanyahu fund hamas?
Regarding a launching point for wars in the Middle East, this is extremely outdated in the modern day, when we have military bases all through Iraq and numerous other allies in the region. We launched Desert Storm from Saudi Arabia for instance.
What do you think those reasons are? (Because those would be my picks.)
Lowering your credit rating does not make borrowing impossible, just more expensive due to higher interest rates.
Neither article made such a claim. It’s purely your creation. What it said and supported article collaborates is that there are commentators that claim “U.S. can’t affect Israel’s actions”. And that’s a common line between pro-war hawks, since they make money from this war…
By all publically available information and statements from both parties that was concluded to be a human error. Not sure how that has to do anything with US having Israel by the balls when it comes to the funding they provide.
Can’t really dispute that possibility. There is lack of clear information about that at the moment. Some people even dispute the fact that war criminal Netanyahu funded them, even though he admitted it in a recorded conversation. Though again, how does that have anything to do with the funding and US control over Israel’s actions?
Russia support Iran and vice versa, which is an arch enemy of Israel. China used to support Israel, but after they started the genocide against Palestinians, they moved away from them and is refocusing on Arab states. Having good relations with them is more valuable for China due to natural resources. And it’s a huge blow to Israel’s economy, as China used to be #1 trading partner.
Sure, but it’s a doom spiral and weakens your economy with each passing day until there is nothing left. With the isolation they placed themselves with the genocide, they are depended on a strong nation to defend them globally to even have access to most of the world. Without it, they are the next North Korea.
The evidence they provided to support this statement did not contain this claim, making it a falsehood. Additionally, no, that argument is actually not common at all in any mainstream circles that I read. The argument is that we do not fully control them, not that we have no influence.
I’m not sure why you suddenly believe official Israeli statements and the investigations into their actions. It is a debated matter, regardless. So, did we make them shoot one of our citizens recently, as in the article you posted?
I am trying to convince you that we do not have full control of Israel. We have some influence. This is distinct from control. You asked me earlier if I disputed that we control them, and I do, and this is the beginning of my evidence.
Fair. I am not convinced that Russian and Chinese interests would not re-align if their main rivals were not in a vulnerable position. This is very hypothetical though.
No, I don’t think they need a strong sponsor. Unlike N Korea, they are much wealthier than their neighbors and a technologically advanced service-based economy. They have many, many things that many, many people would want.
Thank you for the discussion, but it doesn’t look like continuing it would be productive.