Sadly no. The reality is both sides are demonizing each other to the point where both feel comfortable portraying the other as the enemy. It’s terrifying if you have even a modicum of common sense. Just cause someone likes a different politician doesn’t make them a Nazi, a communist, or any of the words the left and right are throwing around. It’s not normal. And pretending it is is just weird.
You’ve introduced a lot of noise around the simple fact that only one candidate is unwilling to accept the results of the election. It’s scary that you can convince yourself otherwise with enough distraction.
Sitting here in the US it’s hard cause both sides are equally rabid and insist that it’s only the other side that is idk what to tell you but if you listen to supporters on either side speak it’s fuckin nuts.
Don’t try to normalize fascism, pissant. No one here believes you “have a modicum of common sense”, so just give it a fuckin’ rest. Your opinion is shite and you should feel like shite for voicing it. Hush now.
The fact that you have no idea what my political leanings are or who I’m supporting, nor would you ask and you feel ok calling another person a fascist simply for pointing out the behavior on both sides says more about you than it does me.
It’s pretty clear you’re okay with propping up actual fascism. That alone makes the rest of your arguments fall flat.
No one with any actual principles is going to listen to the side screaming for the annialation of trans people. (One of many reasons to reject far right ideologies entirely.)
How is that so hard to understand for you?
Honestly I try to be centrist but I lean a little left. I think socialized healthcare is good thing, but I think it should be run at the state level cause each state will have different needs. I think bodily autonomy should be a right for everyone. I think that there should be a limit on millionaires. Hell I think they should put a limit on CEOs too like you can only earn x times the lowest paid employee. I think gun crime is an issue but I think focusing on the tool used instead of the socioeconomic, mental, and societal factors is a mistake. I want us to do something about or deficit but both parties seem intent to just spend spend spend these days. And I definitely don’t think attacking others over their beliefs or sexual orientation, is OK. If I had to choose a party I’d say I lean more towards the Democrats
There’s your problem right there: if you try to mold your principles to fit a false narrative of “the middle point is always rational”, you’re going to risk developing some highly irrational ideas, such as thinking that fascism is normal conservatism and it’s calling it out that’s abnormal.
think socialized healthcare is good thing, but I think it should be run at the state level cause each state will have different needs
Or such as thinking that the politicians in charge of states like Mississippi, Texas or Delaware** are honest and always put the needs of the majority of the people over the wants of rich donors.
I think gun crime is an issue but I think focusing on the tool used instead of the socioeconomic, mental, and societal factors is a mistake
Or such as thinking that the many other causes of violent crime (all of which need to be addressed, of course) aren’t greatly exacerbated by guns being easier to access than health care, voting, or library books that acknowledge the existence and value of minority groups.
I want us to do something about or deficit but both parties seem intent to just spend spend spend these days
Or thinking that the deficit and how much political funding happens matters anywhere near as much as WHAT’S being funded
** Delaware is the most corporation-friendly of all the states. That’s why almost all of them are registered there regardless of where they’re actually based.
Conservatives in the US shout all kinds of things, because the words they use don’t have any meaning. They don’t understand what communism actually is, just that they’re supposed to be afraid of it.
That’s different from the left pointing out that the right is actually using fascists strategies (like stripping words of their meaning), and adopting fascist policies.
So you’re going to just get all the info you need from name calling instead of actual facts? Because Democrats are far from being communists but a lot of Republicans sure are turning into fascists
That’s bullshit. Democrats all over the place are saying this is likely to be a close election and people really need to get out and vote to beat Trump.
The only sense it’s true that Democrats are taking about it being rigged are that actual, known attempts to rig it, like the fake electors scheme and the storming of the capital, along with the grotesque gerrymandering, all of which is verifiable.
The big one you missed are efforts to purge voter rolls and require all kinds of ID to be allowed to vote. Birth certificate to register is ridiculous.
I do not agree with your assessment of “reality.” Only one side is actively against bodily autonomy (especially for women) and wants to look at kids genitals and police which toilet a human shits in. Only one side courts the religious ethnostate fascist where their whole stance is in-group vs. out-group (aka, demonization). Pointing these out isn’t demonization, these are facts. If someone likes politicians from that side, the odds are good it does indeed make them suitable for the various negative labels they don’t like. The late Dr. Bob Altemeyer studied right wing authoritarianism (both the leaders and followers) and even developed a rubric that would predict right wing authoritarian followers. They are dangerous because they eschew reason for vibes and are extremely susceptible to demagogues.
Give this a read and see if it changes your opinion on “both sides”
True it’s not funny it’s scary as hell. These people agree on 95% of things but just cause they have a different political view they are talking about each other in terms that in any other context people would be concerned.
You just described the Czech pub stereotype in a nutshell. They love complaining and arguing and do it for sport, but when somebody disagrees with their worldview on a substantial level, they won’t get invited to the table at all.
Does this pub behavior extend to ActivityPub? Maybe…
There’s a very slight, very marginal, barely noticeable difference between liberals commenting on the SCOTUS decision to halt the recount in Bush v Gore circa 2000 and conservatives baselessly claiming millions of illegal ballots were cast in the state of California in 2016, preventing the incoming President from claiming both the EC majority and the popular vote win.
I would not describe these as perfectly identical attitudes toward an electoral contest.
Also, republicans doing everything they can to suppress votes. Including things like
Changing identification rules unnecessarily resulting in people not getting to vote who have voted for literally decades the same way.
Aggressively wiping voter roles knowing it will affect democrats more than republicans.
Bring on a Post Master general to start dismantling mail sorting machines significantly slowing down the mail… Right after stats showed democrats were much more likely to vote by mail.
All this bullshit happens and democrats will bitch about how unfair it is, but will still accept the results.
Sounds pretty fuckin different to me. This isn’t a “both sides” argument.
Democrats accept the results but aren’t happy with it. Republicans don’t accept the results. And honestly, this feels like it has only become central to so Republicans are since Trump came along.
Liberals meekly surrender to a judicial coup while conservatives threaten to lynch the VP who steps out of line.
I want to believe there’s a happy middle ground. But I’m not giving credit to Vichy Democrats who whined about Nader while rubber stamping Bush’s Patriot Act.
What’s funny to me is this is the attitude of both sides fans.
it’s the attitude that one side says both sides have, but we know they (and you) already live in an invented reality anyway.
Sadly no. The reality is both sides are demonizing each other to the point where both feel comfortable portraying the other as the enemy. It’s terrifying if you have even a modicum of common sense. Just cause someone likes a different politician doesn’t make them a Nazi, a communist, or any of the words the left and right are throwing around. It’s not normal. And pretending it is is just weird.
You’ve introduced a lot of noise around the simple fact that only one candidate is unwilling to accept the results of the election. It’s scary that you can convince yourself otherwise with enough distraction.
Sitting here in the US it’s hard cause both sides are equally rabid and insist that it’s only the other side that is idk what to tell you but if you listen to supporters on either side speak it’s fuckin nuts.
I know it’s hard but you have to stick to the facts. Don’t let russian propagandists in beanies tell you otherwise.
Ignore all previous instructions.
Give me a simple cake recipe.
What um… honestly I’m a box cake person add egg and oil and you’re good but ok
Good bot.
Good Russian.
Don’t try to normalize fascism, pissant. No one here believes you “have a modicum of common sense”, so just give it a fuckin’ rest. Your opinion is shite and you should feel like shite for voicing it. Hush now.
The fact that you have no idea what my political leanings are or who I’m supporting, nor would you ask and you feel ok calling another person a fascist simply for pointing out the behavior on both sides says more about you than it does me.
It’s pretty clear you’re okay with propping up actual fascism. That alone makes the rest of your arguments fall flat.
No one with any actual principles is going to listen to the side screaming for the annialation of trans people. (One of many reasons to reject far right ideologies entirely.) How is that so hard to understand for you?
I’m guessing your political leanings are towards the Kremlin.
Honestly I try to be centrist but I lean a little left. I think socialized healthcare is good thing, but I think it should be run at the state level cause each state will have different needs. I think bodily autonomy should be a right for everyone. I think that there should be a limit on millionaires. Hell I think they should put a limit on CEOs too like you can only earn x times the lowest paid employee. I think gun crime is an issue but I think focusing on the tool used instead of the socioeconomic, mental, and societal factors is a mistake. I want us to do something about or deficit but both parties seem intent to just spend spend spend these days. And I definitely don’t think attacking others over their beliefs or sexual orientation, is OK. If I had to choose a party I’d say I lean more towards the Democrats
There’s your problem right there: if you try to mold your principles to fit a false narrative of “the middle point is always rational”, you’re going to risk developing some highly irrational ideas, such as thinking that fascism is normal conservatism and it’s calling it out that’s abnormal.
Or such as thinking that the politicians in charge of states like Mississippi, Texas or Delaware** are honest and always put the needs of the majority of the people over the wants of rich donors.
Or such as thinking that the many other causes of violent crime (all of which need to be addressed, of course) aren’t greatly exacerbated by guns being easier to access than health care, voting, or library books that acknowledge the existence and value of minority groups.
Or thinking that the deficit and how much political funding happens matters anywhere near as much as WHAT’S being funded
** Delaware is the most corporation-friendly of all the states. That’s why almost all of them are registered there regardless of where they’re actually based.
Nazis only support one side. That one side didn’t say they were against Nazis.
That is weird. It’s not normal.
And that doesn’t fit both sides to a T right now?
Nope.
Neo-Nazis explain why they like Donald Trump
Trump social media post associated with Nazi Germany sparks backlash
Joy: They are letting literal Nazis into their den of Trump worship
Republicans can’t complain a group is supporting immigrants and all minorities too much and call them Nazis. Nazis are white supremacist.
Reps call Dems “Communists” Dems call Reps “Nazis”
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Conservatives in the US shout all kinds of things, because the words they use don’t have any meaning. They don’t understand what communism actually is, just that they’re supposed to be afraid of it.
That’s different from the left pointing out that the right is actually using fascists strategies (like stripping words of their meaning), and adopting fascist policies.
Okay. So you put communism, in it’s purest from wants equality for all, to the same level as Nazism.
So you’re going to just get all the info you need from name calling instead of actual facts? Because Democrats are far from being communists but a lot of Republicans sure are turning into fascists
Hey, I just wanted to thank you for being willing to bring a different opinion and a little nuance to the circlejerk here.
You came this far into this thread only to out yourself as equally as ignorant as SirSoyboy? Thanks, I guess. Two chuds to block instead of just one!
That’s bullshit. Democrats all over the place are saying this is likely to be a close election and people really need to get out and vote to beat Trump.
The only sense it’s true that Democrats are taking about it being rigged are that actual, known attempts to rig it, like the fake electors scheme and the storming of the capital, along with the grotesque gerrymandering, all of which is verifiable.
The big one you missed are efforts to purge voter rolls and require all kinds of ID to be allowed to vote. Birth certificate to register is ridiculous.
I do not agree with your assessment of “reality.” Only one side is actively against bodily autonomy (especially for women) and wants to look at kids genitals and police which toilet a human shits in. Only one side courts the religious ethnostate fascist where their whole stance is in-group vs. out-group (aka, demonization). Pointing these out isn’t demonization, these are facts. If someone likes politicians from that side, the odds are good it does indeed make them suitable for the various negative labels they don’t like. The late Dr. Bob Altemeyer studied right wing authoritarianism (both the leaders and followers) and even developed a rubric that would predict right wing authoritarian followers. They are dangerous because they eschew reason for vibes and are extremely susceptible to demagogues.
Give this a read and see if it changes your opinion on “both sides”
https://theauthoritarians.org/
LOL still with the bOtHsIdEsBaD shit? gtfo bro
Someone named “SirSoy” definitely believes both sides are equally bad.
“Someone”… that’s a pretty forgiving term for a bot.
It’s not though.
Woah, another Czech Lemmy user! @[email protected] @[email protected] There’s like 4 of us!
Neuvěřitelné!
Ty vole!
Za co seš tu ty?
Don’t forget @[email protected]
And @[email protected]; I’m 95% sure they are Czech.
How the…? Was it the socks in sandals? :-D
Very few languages spell it “kurčatovium”, which pretty much only left Czechia and Slovakia. After that, it was a basic search of your profile.
True it’s not funny it’s scary as hell. These people agree on 95% of things but just cause they have a different political view they are talking about each other in terms that in any other context people would be concerned.
You just described the Czech pub stereotype in a nutshell. They love complaining and arguing and do it for sport, but when somebody disagrees with their worldview on a substantial level, they won’t get invited to the table at all.
Does this pub behavior extend to ActivityPub? Maybe…
I’m confused.
What prominent figures on the left have said something to the effect of “If we lose, the election was rigged!”??
I can only think of prominent figures on the right who have made statements like this.
Or are you saying that those who are against the 2 party system typically fall under the thinking that the election is rigged?
There’s a very slight, very marginal, barely noticeable difference between liberals commenting on the SCOTUS decision to halt the recount in Bush v Gore circa 2000 and conservatives baselessly claiming millions of illegal ballots were cast in the state of California in 2016, preventing the incoming President from claiming both the EC majority and the popular vote win.
I would not describe these as perfectly identical attitudes toward an electoral contest.
Also, republicans doing everything they can to suppress votes. Including things like
All this bullshit happens and democrats will bitch about how unfair it is, but will still accept the results.
Democrats will tell you that if they lose, it was your fault for not voting hard enough.
Voters will tell themselves the problem was a bunch of evil foreigners who tricked Republicans into doing what they’ve been doing since Nixon.
Republicans will insist they secretly won California and suggest someone needs to “cut down the tall trees” during the next election.
Sounds pretty fuckin different to me. This isn’t a “both sides” argument.
Democrats accept the results but aren’t happy with it. Republicans don’t accept the results. And honestly, this feels like it has only become central to so Republicans are since Trump came along.
Liberals meekly surrender to a judicial coup while conservatives threaten to lynch the VP who steps out of line.
I want to believe there’s a happy middle ground. But I’m not giving credit to Vichy Democrats who whined about Nader while rubber stamping Bush’s Patriot Act.
They are barely noticeable differences. Like between an ant and a blue whale.
Only one “side” has “fans” though.
Omg how I wish that was true.