• @glimse
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    153 months ago

    The only people who like the electoral college are people who lose the popular vote

    • NeuromancerM
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      -113 months ago

      Our founding fathers did not like democracy and took steps to keep our republic running by implementing the superior electoral college system.

      • @glimse
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        103 months ago

        What is superior about it at all? That it gives disproportional voting power to a few states?

        • NeuromancerM
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          -83 months ago

          It’s what keeps the union together. Otherwise we would have split a long time ago.

          • @glimse
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            103 months ago

            …the electoral college keeps the union together…??

            • NeuromancerM
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              -63 months ago

              Are we still a nation after all these years? Do you not understand what the electoral college does? It makes sure the smaller states still have equal power in the government. Otherwise we’d split off because power would be held by a few states.

              • @glimse
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                83 months ago

                I’m thinking you shouldn’t talk about the electoral college until you understand what it does because you’re dead wrong

                Power IS held by a few states…the swing states…that are made important because the electoral college gives them disproportionate votes. States aren’t people and where you live shouldn’t matter for the presidential election.

                [https://fairvote.org/archives/the_electoral_college-population_vs_electoral_votes/](A vote in Wyoming has the same “power” as 2 1/2 votes from Oregon). What about that sounds right to you?

                • NeuromancerM
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                  -83 months ago

                  States are the centers of power in our country. Not the people. It’s why states vote for president.

                  • @glimse
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                    53 months ago

                    What does that word salad even mean?

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            @wintermute_oregon @glimse

            Remember the articles of confederation.

            Federalism has always been a tricky balance.

            We are the United States, not United Citizens.

        • NeuromancerM
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          -43 months ago

          You mean so the democrats could own their slaves. Funny how things have not changed

            • NeuromancerM
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              -53 months ago

              Lincoln was a conservative himself. He described himself as a conservative and historians Label him as one. In the speech you cited, he was speaking as a conservative to other conservatives.

              Democrats owned slaves. Democrats still want to own slaves.

              • Zeppo
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                63 months ago

                Ending slavery is not a conservative position by definition. Conservatism means continuing the system that is currently in place and accepted.

                • NeuromancerM
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                  -43 months ago

                  Ending slavery is a conservative value. Since we believe all men are equal, slavery by default insults that position.

                  • Zeppo
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                    13 months ago

                    Are you sure you’re a conservative? Most conservative views are insulting. But back in real life, it was a deeply ingrained institution at the time.

                  • @Zombiepirate
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                    53 months ago

                    Your profile says you’re a conservative and a fascist? @neuromancer said before they’re incompatible, and he’s a conservative.

                    He also says Lincoln was a conservative.

                    Why do you both say the opposite? Is conservatism so meaningless that such fundamental differences are just ignored?

                    Why do you think conservatives deny that fascists are part of their movement when they clearly are?

                • NeuromancerM
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                  -43 months ago

                  I get you don’t read well but see how Lincoln uses the word we. It’s including himself. Lincoln was a conservative. He was a Republican.

                  Lincoln was not a progressive.

          • Zeppo
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            23 months ago

            I guess if you knew basically nothing about US history that would be a convincing statement.