• NeuromancerM
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      -42 months ago

      You mean so the democrats could own their slaves. Funny how things have not changed

        • NeuromancerM
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          -52 months ago

          Lincoln was a conservative himself. He described himself as a conservative and historians Label him as one. In the speech you cited, he was speaking as a conservative to other conservatives.

          Democrats owned slaves. Democrats still want to own slaves.

          • Zeppo
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            62 months ago

            Ending slavery is not a conservative position by definition. Conservatism means continuing the system that is currently in place and accepted.

            • NeuromancerM
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              -42 months ago

              Ending slavery is a conservative value. Since we believe all men are equal, slavery by default insults that position.

              • Zeppo
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                12 months ago

                Are you sure you’re a conservative? Most conservative views are insulting. But back in real life, it was a deeply ingrained institution at the time.

                • NeuromancerM
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                  -22 months ago

                  I am very conservative. The Republican party was started to end slavery. Lincoln was a conservative. Before joining the Republican Party he was conservative Whig. Republicans have always stood up for freedom and individual rights. In the 80’s we picked up the religious right which skewed some stances but I’m not part of the religious right.

                  • Zeppo
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                    22 months ago

                    I don’t think there’s much use in explaining this, but you don’t seem to have a very good grasp of history. Party names are not the key to ideology, and it’s baffling that people think they can compare politics from 180 and 120 years ago using current concepts. If you think modern Republicans are the party of Lincoln, let’s see… who would we see flying Confederate flags currently?

              • @Zombiepirate
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                52 months ago

                Your profile says you’re a conservative and a fascist? @neuromancer said before they’re incompatible, and he’s a conservative.

                He also says Lincoln was a conservative.

                Why do you both say the opposite? Is conservatism so meaningless that such fundamental differences are just ignored?

                Why do you think conservatives deny that fascists are part of their movement when they clearly are?

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                  -22 months ago

                  @Zombiepirate

                  Fascists are hybrids. Fascism is corporatism, i.e. state control through corporations.

                  What does my profile say?

                  “Furthest Right: raging realism plus transcendental reverence. I write at https://www.amerika.org/ and https://www.deathmetal.org/ about topics such as nihilism, ecofascism, paganism, eugenics, capitalism, perennialism, conservatism, natural selection, and of course death metal.”

                  Ecofascism is a separate movement. You read your Linkola and Kaczynski?

                  Full readout here:
                  https://annihilation.social/notice/AgRr091ay4W0HCTtcu

                  Lincoln was a radical. He, too, was a hybrid, in that he came from the Anglo tradition but was outside of it as a “radical.”

                  He was a progressive of his age. He was closer to Marx than Washington.

                  • @Zombiepirate
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                    22 months ago

                    So you’re saying that fascists and conservatives work to similar ends?

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                  @Zombiepirate

                  As to what conservatism is, I write about that a lot:

                  https://www.amerika.org/

                  It is a focus on order beyond the individual and the social group; we call it realism, and it tends to favor historically-proven results and a case-by-case basis instead of ideological categorical containers.

                  About ten thousand people in North America can successfully parse that sentence.

            • NeuromancerM
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              -42 months ago

              I get you don’t read well but see how Lincoln uses the word we. It’s including himself. Lincoln was a conservative. He was a Republican.

              Lincoln was not a progressive.

      • Zeppo
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        22 months ago

        I guess if you knew basically nothing about US history that would be a convincing statement.