• @givesomefucks
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    62 months ago

    You say that, but Sanders went to WV and talked to Manchins voters, and got him to support the party platform more than once.

    You don’t just use the bully pulpit from the White House to address the whole nation.

    You pick it up and go to the voters and tell them the person they voted for isn’t just holding them back. They’re holding the whole country back.

    That works. And it works a lot better when it’s the president doing it than a random senator from another state.

    • snooggums
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      22 months ago

      Yes, pressure is great. I was just poiting out that nobody is hiding when it comes to the filibuster.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 months ago

        I think I agree with you, but this is phrased a bit weird across your comments. Normally there are chosen “detractors”, a-la Manchin/Sinema. It’s their job to kill this stuff and constantly be the scapegoat, and they get special deals as a reward.

        However, if the chosen ones can’t or won’t fulfill this role, there are always corpo establishment dems ready to step in and kill meaningful legislation (ie, your blue dog Dems comment above.) They don’t openly advocate for doing this though, and do prefer to hide behind the scapegoats instead.

      • @givesomefucks
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        02 months ago

        In those examples Manchin wasn’t “hiding” before that either.

        But going to his state and talking directly to his voters still got him to change position and support the party.

        • abff08f4813c
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          12 months ago

          Manchin is not the best example perhaps, considering that he left the party in the end as an independent and then gave up seeking reelection.

    • abff08f4813c
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      12 months ago

      Agreed. But I wonder if the President is enough - surely having the VP and former Presidents in addition wouldn’t hurt?