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By MEE staff. Published date: 2 October 2024 11:34 BST
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By MEE staff. Published date: 2 October 2024 11:34 BST
I called for the end of Israeli state terror and you name that a call for genociding jews. That’s batshit insane and paranoid buddy. (By the way, you can’t “genocide a state”, that’s bullshit.)
And quit it with the zionist apologia. None of the “ooo who did that 70 years ago” matters, this is the post-Oslo world, when the PLO/PA has formally accepted Israel’s right to exist, all while Israel colonizes their lands in clear violation of their own signed agreements. Save it for evangelical fundamentalist bootlickers and impressionable young diaspora kids who haven’t been deprogrammed yet.
can’t read well can you?
everyone arbitrary decides how far back in time they get to use to justify their genocidal action,hamas,plo,pla and whichever islamic terrorists sees fit to use.
then we have the idiots chiming in to regurgitate the islamic propaganda and rant about zionists this and zionists that.
mofo,if you want middle east to be at peace,end hamas,their supporters and the rest of the Islamic terrorist organizations.
saudi arabia and israel were on the cusp of normalizing relations until Oct 7th where hamas terrorists decides to do what they do best and today we have people like you blaming israel for anything and everything. if israel is such a terror state,i am pretty sure it wouldn’t have survived until today and prosper unlike gaza with their terrorist tendencies and supporters.
Get off your nationalist garrison mentality and you’ll immediately see that I’m not blaming Israel for everything. I specifically started by saying that “Iran should definitely stop harbouring terrorism”. Literally my very first fucking sentence in this interaction. I have no hesitation to also label Hezbollah and Hamas as despicable terrorists as well. Fuck. Them.
What I am also doing is blaming Israel for what Israel does, something that you are having trouble computing because you’re trapped in an “us and them” knuckle-dragging mentality. Super conveniently for your terror narrative, the ONE accusation that you don’t even mention is my very FIRST one: that Israel is aiding and abetting terrorism by radical settler militias against the indigenous population of the West Bank. That alone is enough to 100% condemn Israel as a state sponsor of terror.
We have an actual A/B testing scenario here, a perfect natural experiment. The West Bank is what “Palestine without Hamas” looks like. And damningly for kahanist bootlickers “Palestine without Hamas” is an apartheid state/bantustan where the Israeli state apparatus has banalized the extreme degradation, oppression, murder and dehumanization of 2 million people.
blag blah blah,israel bad,hamas bad but lets focus on israel and remeber hamas isnt part of palestine but lump israel and the zionist together.
mofo,there are people in Israel that doesn’t support the settlers doing their shit on the west bank or bibi using Oct 7th as an excuse to go all out.
you conveniently lump all israel and zionist together and then back tracked so fast separating hamas and palestine when being pointed out for your bias.
wanna fuck bibi and those settlers,i am all for it,be specific instead of lumping israel and the rest of the zionists as one and then proceeds to separate hamas,their supporters from the palestinians.
i swear,you people cannot even be consistent with your propaganda and fuckery.
What the fuck are you even talking about? What is Bibi, some pariah, some exception? In the 21st century, there are more years where Netanyahu has been PM of Israel than there are when he wasn’t. Before him it was Ariel fucking Sharon. For the vast majority of time since Oslo, it’s been either Likud or some Likud splinter in power. The basic outlines of the original Likud program are by now Israel’s official policy. Fuck, they have been building “facts on the ground” for 30 years. The facts on the ground are now just the FACTS. Israel took a dump on Oslo, and its shit stinks.
And yea I know that other types of Zionism exist, and that “not all Zionists” are rabid genocidal lunatics. But for the last 30 years, the Israeli Right has DOMINATED what it means to be a zionist. The Sharon-Netanyahu style of Zionism, is the really existing Zionism that is in POWER. And fuck no, I don’t need to be doing the “not all Israelis” dance, not any more than when the Greek government does shit. When Modi sends assassination squads to kill Sikhs in Canada, we don’t say “not all Indians”, we condemn Indian sponsorship of terror. I’m not going to give Israeli terrorism a pass just because it’s Israeli. ISRAEL IS NOT SPECIAL. Israeli shit smells just as bad as Greek shit or Turkish shit or Lebanese shit.
That’s why I’m saying that Israel the country, is a sponsor of settler terrorism. The country’s army protects them. The country’s government arms them and leaves them unpunished. The country’s services over time legalize their land grabs and offer them amenities. THIS IS WHAT STATE SPONSORSHIP OF TERROR LOOKS LIKE. If you can’t wrap your head around the fact that this does not constitute a condemnation of every israeli out there, or worse of every jew out there, that’s a You problem. And if your feefees about what Zionism should be are hurt by the reality of what Really Existing Zionism actually does are hurt, too bad for your feefees.
so when hamas commits acts of terror,state sponsorship from palestine and her people or they get a pass because,palestine?
Hamas is the government of Gaza. So yes, when they order the killing of some random civilians in Tel Aviv’s mass transit, that’s literally state terrorism, with the only qualifier that Gaza is a quasi-state, so I guess “quasi-state sponsored terrorism”? But yes, that’s it. The quasi-state of Gaza is condemnable for its support of terrorism. The state of Israel is condemnable for its support of terrorism.
I don’t get why you keep repeating on the “and the people” bit. I clearly said above that condemning Israeli state terrorism is not a condemnation of every Israeli. Similarly, condemning Hamas terrorism is not a condemnation of every Gazan.
So there you have my position clear as day. What’s yours? Do you condemn Israel for its systematic sponsorship of terrorism?
do you condemn palestine for its systematic sponsorship of terrorism?? no need for theatrics or mincing words like quasi this or quasi that.
if you are condeming state sponsorships of terrorism,be consistent and make your stance clear, don’t mince words.
and yes,state sponsorships of terrorism is to be condemned both on israel and palestine. do not portray any one party as innocent or victim,none of them are. jewish settlers occupying land illegally in west bank should be removed and laws set in place to prevent such illegal settlements.
if you want to put the spotlight on israel for their terrorism,do not forget palestine,iran and their supporters,each one of them are equally deserving of it.
now,i’ll state is clearly for you,i condemn israel state sponsorship of terror,DO YOU CONDEMN PALESTINE OF STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM? and try not to mince your words this time.
If you recognize Palestine as a sovereign state and therefore the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as illegal, sure I’ll condemn Palestinian sponsorship of terrorism. If not, there is nothing to condemn right? There can’t be state sponsored terrorism by an entity that is not a state. Logic.
And for the record, I’m unequivocally condemning Iran and Hezbollah and the Houthis for their terrorism.
Still waiting on an answer to my question, buddy. Israeli policy of sponsorship of terror. Do you condemn Israel for it.
So I’m guessing you would’ve been against the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising? Zionists do tend to have a lot in common with Nazis so I shouldn’t be too surprised…
you shouldn’t be surprised,hamas terrorists and their supporters have alot in common with the nazis as well.
i guess both sides learned well from the nazis.
Did you miss the part where they said to save it? Nobody here is going to ever read this exchange and change their mind to agree with you. This isn’t reddit or Facebook
did you miss the part where i just don’t give a fuck??
did you expect these idiots to change my mind and agree with them??
this isn’t facebook/reddit or you are that oblivious?
god damn left wing nutjobs,i swear they make the right wing nutjobs look sane.