I get a lot of your points, but I also know plenty of people who don’t like Harris or Trump, and that causes them to be undecided. I’m voting third party, so I’m very decided, but I get where they are coming from.
Well I’m voting Socialst Workers Party. And I am not happy with the way the Democratic party handled the Biden to Harris transition. The Dem party kept going on and on how fine Biden, how any body talking about how frail he had gotten was exaggerated, etc. Then the debates happen, everyone could see for themselves, and they decided to have him step down.
My problem with that, is that I think many in the upper levels of power knew Biden was frail, but they tried to shush it all away. But once the evidence was right there for everyone to see publically, they changed their mind real quick.
So to your question, the only way I would ever think of voting for Harris, is if they came right out and admitted it. Apologized for it, and then they would also have to stop suing in order to keep third parties off the ticket.
The last time I would have considered voting Democrat, was when Bernie was running. I totally would have voted for Bernie.
Now as for Trump? Nah, nothing could change my mind to make me vote for him. lol
Good question tho, so thank for that. It was fun to think about.
I was kinda hoping he would too, but that was a fantasy. And I don’t think Harris can even afford to apologize for tnaking third parties before the election is over.
Fair points in both of your comments. And also, to your point, conspiracies don’t really work if there are too many people involved, so I agree with you. It was probably just his closest advisors. But I’m still pretty pissed that they were willing to hide it for so long.
Can you imagine if they would have “cough medicine’d” him up enough on debate night that people didn’t catch on. Another 4 years with a guy who literally won’t even know where he is or what day it is. Ugh, that’s scary.
Another 4 years with a guy who literally won’t even know where he is or what day it is. Ugh, that’s scary.
My rationale was that it’s mostly the president’s cabinet that does heavy lifting.
Frankly, that was the situation with Trumps presidency too, and it’s how it kinda functioned and was even remotely OK. And it’s what’s scary about this election, as Trump has systematically destroyed all the guardrails that were there before, while another Biden term would have been… like the last 4 years, pretty much, just with him being even more reclusive.
Politicians live in a filter bubble too, and Biden’s cabinet was telling lawmakers, donors and press things were fine… when they were not. There was trust between them, and they used it to decieve. So you can blame biden’s cabinet and inner circle, but I wouldn’t extend that to the rest of the party.
And right wing outlets, to be blunt, caught on way before everyone else, and were exactly right. The truth was kinda obvious before the debate, and even my Trump hating mother saw it. But there was hardly Democrat in power that believed them because the conservative press cries wolf at the drop of a hat.
Also, as others are probably saying, I think this is really the one election that’s too close and too important to vote third party, speaking as someone who used to vote independent pretty frequently.
Some of the haters came from the politics sub, c/politics. I have a little downvote brigade that likes to follow and downvote everything I post now. They hate me because I’m voting third party.
Plus, I just got a 3-day ban there for sealioning. So they are enjoying following me into this sub. I legit never even heard of the term ‘sealioning’ before Lemmy and I still don’t understand how anything I said or did was sealioning, but meh, its a different community, different rules, so all good.
I got plenty of DM’s of people celebrating my 3-day ban today, so some of the downvotes are def from that. lmao
I’m actually having much better luck and better engagement in this community, so that 3-day ban ended up being an awesome thing.
So thanks for your well-written and thought-out post. Great points!
I wouldn’t assume it’s a brigade, honestly most of Lemmy.world is so mega American left that anything even remotely critical is downvoted.
Like, I’m American. I’m a mega Trump and Republican hater, I freaking love Kamala, I’m not voting 3rd party atm, and I have family would punch Trump on sight lol, and I kinda disagree with you. I’m sympathetic to some radical policy.
But even I feel alienated.
It’s like I can’t even point out a post/source is straight up spam, fake, or propaganda, without getting downvoted to oblivion. I can’t acknowledge any postive thing any Republican has ever done, or an isolated policy that kinda makes sense. Nope, every single one should be in jail forever.
You must be this left to participate in /c/politics, and everywhere it leaks.
Good point. I was mostly accused of being Russian. Like literally I got DM’s where people said they were calling the FBI on me. People saying that I was just posting to avoid the front lines. People just “can tell” that english isn’t my first language (born and raised here in the US, by the way). Like WTF?! For posting news articles about third parties?! lol
I’m actually socialist and most of my posting are to socialist subs, but yeah, the mob mentality on /c/politics is pretty extreme.
I did get a really good reply, just before I was banned today. A guy said something like that I was chronically extreme centrist, reminding him of his father, who would listen to all opinions, then just decided that everyone was an idiot. Um, that is kinda me! lol
I get that politics is brutal. But what really turned me off of the Democratic party was how I think the Bernie thing went down. I was sooo hyped to vote for Bernie. They replaced him with Hillary. Then when she lost, they blamed third-party.
I honestly don’t think the Dems lost the election because of a third party. I think they lost because of Hillary. Then the Biden illness thing. Then the hatred and vitrol that I got for liking my little Socialist Workers Party candidate; it really showed me the extremes that some people go to.
Make no mistake, I am very anti-Republican, I hate Trump. But the Republicans have never ever been as hateful to me as the Lemmy Democrats have been. To your point tho, it’s just the skew of Lemmy. But oy! lol
Now having said all that, I don’t think Trump is even close to winning. I know everyone thinks the margins are razor-thin, but meh, I think it’s just to generate clicks. I think Harris will win by a decent amount.
And boy are the Lemmy people going to be sad that I will still be posting after the election. The number of comments I got where they were saying “You’ll disappear right after the election, troll!” is hilarious. :)
But meh, politics fanatics like some sports fanatics. They just take everything way too personally and are just itching for a fight about it.
Now having said all that, I don’t think Trump is even close to winning. I know everyone thinks the margins are razor-thin, but meh, I think it’s just to generate clicks. I think Harris will win by a decent amount.
Oh I think this is very wrong.
The one mistake most everyone but Trumpsters always make is underestimating Trump. Polls underestimated him by like 4 or 5 points last election. And franky he beat the odds even before he got into TV and politics, hyping real estate deals and such for the market. Yes, Harris was underestimated too, but that doesn’t necessarily cancel it out.
FiveThirtyEight isn’t what it once was, but you should still pay attention to their tallies.
I def think that most of the Lemmy’s I’ve come across in that community are the BlueMAGA type. Not all, but damn, I have a lot of them yell at me! lmao
I get a lot of your points, but I also know plenty of people who don’t like Harris or Trump, and that causes them to be undecided. I’m voting third party, so I’m very decided, but I get where they are coming from.
Out of curiousity, what would change your mind to get you to vote for Harris or Trump?
Well I’m voting Socialst Workers Party. And I am not happy with the way the Democratic party handled the Biden to Harris transition. The Dem party kept going on and on how fine Biden, how any body talking about how frail he had gotten was exaggerated, etc. Then the debates happen, everyone could see for themselves, and they decided to have him step down.
My problem with that, is that I think many in the upper levels of power knew Biden was frail, but they tried to shush it all away. But once the evidence was right there for everyone to see publically, they changed their mind real quick.
So to your question, the only way I would ever think of voting for Harris, is if they came right out and admitted it. Apologized for it, and then they would also have to stop suing in order to keep third parties off the ticket.
The last time I would have considered voting Democrat, was when Bernie was running. I totally would have voted for Bernie.
Now as for Trump? Nah, nothing could change my mind to make me vote for him. lol
Good question tho, so thank for that. It was fun to think about.
Oh, and Biden will never apologize, lol.
I was kinda hoping he would too, but that was a fantasy. And I don’t think Harris can even afford to apologize for tnaking third parties before the election is over.
Fair points in both of your comments. And also, to your point, conspiracies don’t really work if there are too many people involved, so I agree with you. It was probably just his closest advisors. But I’m still pretty pissed that they were willing to hide it for so long.
Can you imagine if they would have “cough medicine’d” him up enough on debate night that people didn’t catch on. Another 4 years with a guy who literally won’t even know where he is or what day it is. Ugh, that’s scary.
And in my eyes, unforgivable.
My rationale was that it’s mostly the president’s cabinet that does heavy lifting.
Frankly, that was the situation with Trumps presidency too, and it’s how it kinda functioned and was even remotely OK. And it’s what’s scary about this election, as Trump has systematically destroyed all the guardrails that were there before, while another Biden term would have been… like the last 4 years, pretty much, just with him being even more reclusive.
Don’t mind all the haters, lol, that’s a valid view.
I somewhat disagree though, as I think lots of media and many politiicans were actually duped:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/biden-press-white-house-rift
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/11/biden-nato-summit-press-conference-2024
Politicians live in a filter bubble too, and Biden’s cabinet was telling lawmakers, donors and press things were fine… when they were not. There was trust between them, and they used it to decieve. So you can blame biden’s cabinet and inner circle, but I wouldn’t extend that to the rest of the party.
And right wing outlets, to be blunt, caught on way before everyone else, and were exactly right. The truth was kinda obvious before the debate, and even my Trump hating mother saw it. But there was hardly Democrat in power that believed them because the conservative press cries wolf at the drop of a hat.
Also, as others are probably saying, I think this is really the one election that’s too close and too important to vote third party, speaking as someone who used to vote independent pretty frequently.
Some of the haters came from the politics sub, c/politics. I have a little downvote brigade that likes to follow and downvote everything I post now. They hate me because I’m voting third party.
Plus, I just got a 3-day ban there for sealioning. So they are enjoying following me into this sub. I legit never even heard of the term ‘sealioning’ before Lemmy and I still don’t understand how anything I said or did was sealioning, but meh, its a different community, different rules, so all good.
I got plenty of DM’s of people celebrating my 3-day ban today, so some of the downvotes are def from that. lmao
I’m actually having much better luck and better engagement in this community, so that 3-day ban ended up being an awesome thing.
So thanks for your well-written and thought-out post. Great points!
I wouldn’t assume it’s a brigade, honestly most of Lemmy.world is so mega American left that anything even remotely critical is downvoted.
Like, I’m American. I’m a mega Trump and Republican hater, I freaking love Kamala, I’m not voting 3rd party atm, and I have family would punch Trump on sight lol, and I kinda disagree with you. I’m sympathetic to some radical policy.
But even I feel alienated.
It’s like I can’t even point out a post/source is straight up spam, fake, or propaganda, without getting downvoted to oblivion. I can’t acknowledge any postive thing any Republican has ever done, or an isolated policy that kinda makes sense. Nope, every single one should be in jail forever.
You must be this left to participate in /c/politics, and everywhere it leaks.
So… yeah, there’s my rant.
Good point. I was mostly accused of being Russian. Like literally I got DM’s where people said they were calling the FBI on me. People saying that I was just posting to avoid the front lines. People just “can tell” that english isn’t my first language (born and raised here in the US, by the way). Like WTF?! For posting news articles about third parties?! lol
I’m actually socialist and most of my posting are to socialist subs, but yeah, the mob mentality on /c/politics is pretty extreme.
I did get a really good reply, just before I was banned today. A guy said something like that I was chronically extreme centrist, reminding him of his father, who would listen to all opinions, then just decided that everyone was an idiot. Um, that is kinda me! lol
I get that politics is brutal. But what really turned me off of the Democratic party was how I think the Bernie thing went down. I was sooo hyped to vote for Bernie. They replaced him with Hillary. Then when she lost, they blamed third-party.
I honestly don’t think the Dems lost the election because of a third party. I think they lost because of Hillary. Then the Biden illness thing. Then the hatred and vitrol that I got for liking my little Socialist Workers Party candidate; it really showed me the extremes that some people go to.
Make no mistake, I am very anti-Republican, I hate Trump. But the Republicans have never ever been as hateful to me as the Lemmy Democrats have been. To your point tho, it’s just the skew of Lemmy. But oy! lol
Now having said all that, I don’t think Trump is even close to winning. I know everyone thinks the margins are razor-thin, but meh, I think it’s just to generate clicks. I think Harris will win by a decent amount.
And boy are the Lemmy people going to be sad that I will still be posting after the election. The number of comments I got where they were saying “You’ll disappear right after the election, troll!” is hilarious. :)
But meh, politics fanatics like some sports fanatics. They just take everything way too personally and are just itching for a fight about it.
Oh I think this is very wrong.
The one mistake most everyone but Trumpsters always make is underestimating Trump. Polls underestimated him by like 4 or 5 points last election. And franky he beat the odds even before he got into TV and politics, hyping real estate deals and such for the market. Yes, Harris was underestimated too, but that doesn’t necessarily cancel it out.
FiveThirtyEight isn’t what it once was, but you should still pay attention to their tallies.
But they’re still predicting he’ll lose, last time I checked. Unless that has changed since then.
And that’s why I say that BlueMAGA is a disease.
I def think that most of the Lemmy’s I’ve come across in that community are the BlueMAGA type. Not all, but damn, I have a lot of them yell at me! lmao