• archomrade [he/him]
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    4 hours ago

    How are we defining ‘flawless’, exactly?

    All else aside - yea, I actually kinda agree with this, though I get the distinct impression not in the way you mean it.

    edit - what happens if it’s the undecided vote that causes harris to lose, not Stein?

    • @Maggoty
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      Then she should have messaged better on Israel. On that particular item I also feel like Netanyahu is on a timeline. I’m not sure he cares about the election though. More like he’s trying to get us pulled into a conflict with Iran before January because Biden can’t stand up to him. If he thinks Biden is just locked by the election then he’ll try to do it this month. Harris’ messaging doesn’t really take that into account in my opinion.

      • archomrade [he/him]
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        43 hours ago

        Then she should have messaged better on Israel

        I’d much rather her do more than message better, but i’d take clear messaging over whatever the fuck we’ve been getting.

        • @Maggoty
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          She’s trying to stay neutral. It’s not working.

          • archomrade [he/him]
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            42 hours ago

            There’s no such thing as neutral - either we’re supporting Israel through their genocide or we’re not.

            • @Maggoty
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              Putting on my objective hat for a minute, pro Israel voters think the same way. There’s not really a neutral block of voters on this issue.

      • @[email protected]
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        -12 hours ago

        There is no candidate who can win this race that won’t keep writing blank checks for Israel. If anything, Netanyahu wants Trump to win. He is enraged by even the minimal pushback he gets from the Biden administration.

        • @Maggoty
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          There’s a chance Harris is more like Obama and reigns in everything but iron dome reloads, while actually holding them responsible for settler violence. If your standard is completely disengage from Israel then yeah we aren’t there yet politically. Although shooting at the UN might just fucking do it.

    • @Cryophilia
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      14 hours ago

      She…still loses? I don’t understand your question

      • archomrade [he/him]
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        03 hours ago

        I’m asking who you’ll decide to blame, since that seems to be the focus.

        If you’re unconcerned with blame then maybe there’s no disagreement here.

        • @Cryophilia
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          Undecided voters are imo always a contemptible lot, but no more this election than any other.

          • archomrade [he/him]
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            32 hours ago

            Undecided voters are imo always a contemptible lot

            Maybe read this a few times yourself and see if you can spot the problem on your own.

            • @Cryophilia
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              If someone is stupid enough that they need to be flattered into no longer doing stupid things, that makes them all the more contemptible in my eyes.