• @Maggoty
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    123 hours ago

    There is a world in which it’s not her fault or anyone else’s fault. You can run a flawless campaign and lose for reasons beyond your control, or any other single stakeholder’s control.

    • TheHiddenCatboy
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      62 hours ago

      Yeah, Picard Principle at play here. You can commit no mistakes and still lose. I can argue that there are a few things that Harris could do better. Americans are stupid and cruel as a whole…you tact too hard to the Left, you piss off the moderate voters and they stay home, vote Third Party, or worse, vote Trump, and if you tact too hard to the Right, you piss off liberal voters, and while they are less likely to vote Trump, you still lose their votes.

      Man, we shouldn’t even be having this conversation at all. Trump is a convicted felon. He should be in jail right now, getting ready for the next trials.

    • archomrade [he/him]
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      How are we defining ‘flawless’, exactly?

      All else aside - yea, I actually kinda agree with this, though I get the distinct impression not in the way you mean it.

      edit - what happens if it’s the undecided vote that causes harris to lose, not Stein?

      • @Cryophilia
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        32 hours ago

        She…still loses? I don’t understand your question

        • archomrade [he/him]
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          135 minutes ago

          I’m asking who you’ll decide to blame, since that seems to be the focus.

          If you’re unconcerned with blame then maybe there’s no disagreement here.

      • @Maggoty
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        Then she should have messaged better on Israel. On that particular item I also feel like Netanyahu is on a timeline. I’m not sure he cares about the election though. More like he’s trying to get us pulled into a conflict with Iran before January because Biden can’t stand up to him. If he thinks Biden is just locked by the election then he’ll try to do it this month. Harris’ messaging doesn’t really take that into account in my opinion.

        • archomrade [he/him]
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          333 minutes ago

          Then she should have messaged better on Israel

          I’d much rather her do more than message better, but i’d take clear messaging over whatever the fuck we’ve been getting.

          • @Maggoty
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            231 minutes ago

            She’s trying to stay neutral. It’s not working.

            • archomrade [he/him]
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              229 minutes ago

              There’s no such thing as neutral - either we’re supporting Israel through their genocide or we’re not.