Hayes’ guest, University of Southern California professor Franita Tolson, told the host that the idea of fraud in the U.S. election system has “been building before Trump and will exist after Trump” even if Vice President Kamala Harris wins the presidency, she added.

“And it will be used to further more voting restrictions even if we get past this election cycle,” she said. Tolson later noted that “the guardrails of our democracy barely held in 2020.”