No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
It isn’t ideological purity. The only people who give up ground is Dems that is why the GOP can dog walk them while going on about space lazers and weather control. There should be some limits when it comes to people like Dick Cheney getting a pass. I’ve done the whole vote for the lesser evil. I’m good. I’ll do what I can locally and vote down ballot for in local elections.
When Trump can come out call Harris for adopting his policies and she has nothing to say back. I’m good. I don’t support right-wingers even with (D) next to their name.
genocide jill is perfectly fine with genocides except for the one that’s hot in the news right now.
by the way, those people are who are being genocided in the genocide hot in the news right now? they support kamala harris.
you don’t care about genocide. especially that one. because if you did you would be voting for her. it’s either you hate israel or you just refuse to vote for a black woman or you want to vote for trump or some combination of the 3.
she is not a member of an ongoing genocide. that would be the government of israel, specifically benjamin netanyahu and his war cabinet. they are using the weapons we gave them to defend against iran in a conflict disproportionate to the way they were attacked and they are disinterested in paying us the united states any attention with requests and demands unless trump gets in who will allow netanyahu to act in gaza without restraint.
so tell me, which one do you want, someone who will use all the soft power we have to influence israel’s actions, or do you want someone who will allow israel to make what’s going on in gaza look like a water gun fight and then target the west bank next?because don’t you dare believe that gaza will be the end of this.
i am also black. I early voted. I didn’t vote for her because she’s black. I voted for her because she’s not a wannabe dictator, a 34 time felon, a credibly accused insurrecionist, a credibly accused thief of government documents, a racist, a bigot, a narcissist, an adjudicated rapist and sexual abuser, an adjudicated con artist, an adjudicated tax fraud, showing severe and obvious signs of mental decline, and is the only person who has the ability to be president since literally every third party candidate is not on enough state ballots to constitute the necessary 270 electoral college votes needed to become the president.
“she is not a member of an ongoing genocide.” She is VP of the United States which is funding genocide which is the admin she is a part of. She isn’t some powerless lacky. She isn’t going to win the state I’m in and she is openly endorsed by Dick Cheney. Not being Trump isn’t good enough. I do think Trump should lose. Voting is transactional she has only courted the GOP and done nothing to earn my support. I got my ballot and I will be voting early as well.
I shouldn’t have to infinitely vote for the lesser evil and be on the same side as war criminals like Dick Cheney because liberals have no standards. Also people being burned alive now. There is no need for hypotheticals when the Biden admin continues to arm fund the imaginary state of Israel.
It could be Harris if she decides to change course She wants to earn support and the ball is in her court. She can do things for the mythical centrist Dick Cheney voter. Then asking for her to follow international law and stop being active in genocide isn’t much.
You mean the Reagan/Bush era republicans who are now the most reliable voting block, and who feel like the current Republican party has gone too far, but have been dutifully ticking that R every election since they were able to vote? The ones on a steady diet of Fox News who think trump can’t really be that bad, but if the Cheney’s of all people, those dyed in the wool conservatives, are supporting Harris, maybe they should at least look a bit closer at it – those people who don’t exist?
I assure you, those people exist. Especially in swing states. They exist so much, professional pollsters warn they might be over represented.
This is not giving up ground. The only people looking at this and thinking it means Harris somehow supports the Cheneys rather than the other way round are ideological purists. Nobody sane is giving the Cheneys a pass. They’re slime and we all know it. The only thing this tells us is that he’s* so unabashedly heinous that even old school Republicans can’t stomach him. It’s not a difficult concept.
No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
It isn’t ideological purity. The only people who give up ground is Dems that is why the GOP can dog walk them while going on about space lazers and weather control. There should be some limits when it comes to people like Dick Cheney getting a pass. I’ve done the whole vote for the lesser evil. I’m good. I’ll do what I can locally and vote down ballot for in local elections.
When Trump can come out call Harris for adopting his policies and she has nothing to say back. I’m good. I don’t support right-wingers even with (D) next to their name.
We all know who you really want in power. Transparent as fucking glass.
A person who isn’t backing genocide and with an agenda for working class and poor people. Pretty lowbar.
genocide jill is perfectly fine with genocides except for the one that’s hot in the news right now.
by the way, those people are who are being genocided in the genocide hot in the news right now? they support kamala harris.
you don’t care about genocide. especially that one. because if you did you would be voting for her. it’s either you hate israel or you just refuse to vote for a black woman or you want to vote for trump or some combination of the 3.
I’m black why would I vote for Harris just because she is black and an active member of ongoing genocide? We’re not monolith.
you assume too much.
she is not a member of an ongoing genocide. that would be the government of israel, specifically benjamin netanyahu and his war cabinet. they are using the weapons we gave them to defend against iran in a conflict disproportionate to the way they were attacked and they are disinterested in paying us the united states any attention with requests and demands unless trump gets in who will allow netanyahu to act in gaza without restraint.
so tell me, which one do you want, someone who will use all the soft power we have to influence israel’s actions, or do you want someone who will allow israel to make what’s going on in gaza look like a water gun fight and then target the west bank next?because don’t you dare believe that gaza will be the end of this.
i am also black. I early voted. I didn’t vote for her because she’s black. I voted for her because she’s not a wannabe dictator, a 34 time felon, a credibly accused insurrecionist, a credibly accused thief of government documents, a racist, a bigot, a narcissist, an adjudicated rapist and sexual abuser, an adjudicated con artist, an adjudicated tax fraud, showing severe and obvious signs of mental decline, and is the only person who has the ability to be president since literally every third party candidate is not on enough state ballots to constitute the necessary 270 electoral college votes needed to become the president.
“she is not a member of an ongoing genocide.” She is VP of the United States which is funding genocide which is the admin she is a part of. She isn’t some powerless lacky. She isn’t going to win the state I’m in and she is openly endorsed by Dick Cheney. Not being Trump isn’t good enough. I do think Trump should lose. Voting is transactional she has only courted the GOP and done nothing to earn my support. I got my ballot and I will be voting early as well.
I shouldn’t have to infinitely vote for the lesser evil and be on the same side as war criminals like Dick Cheney because liberals have no standards. Also people being burned alive now. There is no need for hypotheticals when the Biden admin continues to arm fund the imaginary state of Israel.
When Trump wins I’m sure you’ll be happy all of your concerns have been laid to rest.
And who is that?
It could be Harris if she decides to change course She wants to earn support and the ball is in her court. She can do things for the mythical centrist Dick Cheney voter. Then asking for her to follow international law and stop being active in genocide isn’t much.
You mean the Reagan/Bush era republicans who are now the most reliable voting block, and who feel like the current Republican party has gone too far, but have been dutifully ticking that R every election since they were able to vote? The ones on a steady diet of Fox News who think trump can’t really be that bad, but if the Cheney’s of all people, those dyed in the wool conservatives, are supporting Harris, maybe they should at least look a bit closer at it – those people who don’t exist?
I assure you, those people exist. Especially in swing states. They exist so much, professional pollsters warn they might be over represented.
Ok. You didn’t answer the question.
This is not giving up ground. The only people looking at this and thinking it means Harris somehow supports the Cheneys rather than the other way round are ideological purists. Nobody sane is giving the Cheneys a pass. They’re slime and we all know it. The only thing this tells us is that he’s* so unabashedly heinous that even old school Republicans can’t stomach him. It’s not a difficult concept.
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