• @[email protected]
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    111 day ago

    You only needed to choose 2 points and prove that they can’t be connected by a continuous line. Half of your obviousness rant

      • @JeeBaiChow
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        71 day ago

        It’s fucking obvious!

        Seriously, I once had to prove that mulplying a value by a number between 0 and 1 decreased it’s original value, i.e. effectively defining the unary, which should be an axiom.

        • @[email protected]B
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          11 hours ago

          So you need to proof x•c < x for 0<=c<1?

          Isn’t that just:

          xc < x | ÷x

          c < x/x (for x=/=0)

          c < 1 q.e.d.

          What am I missing?

          • @[email protected]
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            411 hours ago

            My math teacher would be angry because you started from the conclusion and derived the premise, rather than the other way around. Note also that you assumed that division is defined. That may not have been the case in the original problem.

            • @[email protected]B
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              11 hours ago

              Your math teacher is weird. But you can just turn it around:

              c < 1

              c < x/x | •x

              xc < x q.e.d.

              This also shows, that c≥0 is not actually a requirement, but x>0 is

              I guess if your math teacher is completely insufferable, you need to add the definitions of the arithmetic operations but at that point you should also need to introduce Latin letters and Arabic numerals.

        • @[email protected]
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          520 hours ago

          Mathematicians like to have as little axioms as possible because any axiom is essentially an assumption that can be wrong.

          Also proving elementary results like your example with as little tools as possible is a great exercise to learn mathematical deduction and to understand the relation between certain elementary mathematical properties.

        • Superb
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          324 hours ago

          It can’t be an axiom if it can be defined by other axioms. An axiom can not be formally proven

      • @[email protected]
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        018 hours ago

        One point on the line

        Take 2 points on normal on the opposite sides

        Try to connect it

        Wow you can’t

        • @davidagain
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          9 hours ago

          Only works for a smooth curve with a neighbourhood around it. I think you need the transverse regular theorem or something.

        • erin (she/her)
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          617 hours ago

          This isn’t a rigorous mathematic proof that would prove that it holds true in every case. You aren’t wrong, but this is a colloquial definition of proof, not a mathematical proof.

          • @[email protected]
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            117 hours ago

            Sorry, I’ve spent too much of my earthly time on reading and writing formal proofs. I’m not gonna write it now, but I will insist that it’s easy