Editing to add: Someone else in this thread commented to say that these were ‘mask off’ liberal values that are just GOP values. I think that shifted my baseline of expectations for what I was seeing here.
The constant divisiveness and purity testing between auth lefts who pretend that they represent all lefts and accuse liberal lefts of being centrists or even of being liberal right is really fucking up the dialogue and (occasionally) my perceptions of what falls where.
Thank you for weighing in and reminding me to double check that I wasn’t having my perceptions influenced by the dialogue around me.
Yeah. Of course it is when folks only care to defend a few parts of it or one of the amendments and completely neglect the first, fourth, and fourteenth.
Which also does not account for the fact that it’s a document written when the predominant form of government in the world was a monarchy, and was written with the preservation of power by land-owners in mind. Since then the world has embraced democracy and learned quite a bit about what works for more egalitarian societies.
Religious reverence towards a document slave owners wrote to avoid paying taxes is usually a red flag, yes.
Even if you assume good faith, which given the context you’d be naive to, it’s not even a particularly good document for enumerating rights either. If you said you were pro the UN charter of human rights that would make sense, but the US constitution?
I saw that too.
The constitution, business, and defense lines also raised questions.
I think it’s a simplified message to show conservatives it’s ok to vote against orange shit stain
And that’s totally fine. For them, anyway.
Editing to add: Someone else in this thread commented to say that these were ‘mask off’ liberal values that are just GOP values. I think that shifted my baseline of expectations for what I was seeing here.
The constant divisiveness and purity testing between auth lefts who pretend that they represent all lefts and accuse liberal lefts of being centrists or even of being liberal right is really fucking up the dialogue and (occasionally) my perceptions of what falls where.
Thank you for weighing in and reminding me to double check that I wasn’t having my perceptions influenced by the dialogue around me.
Favoring the constitution is an issue for you? Man, nvm. I don’t want to open that can of worms.
Yeah. Of course it is when folks only care to defend a few parts of it or one of the amendments and completely neglect the first, fourth, and fourteenth.
Which also does not account for the fact that it’s a document written when the predominant form of government in the world was a monarchy, and was written with the preservation of power by land-owners in mind. Since then the world has embraced democracy and learned quite a bit about what works for more egalitarian societies.
Religious reverence towards a document slave owners wrote to avoid paying taxes is usually a red flag, yes.
Even if you assume good faith, which given the context you’d be naive to, it’s not even a particularly good document for enumerating rights either. If you said you were pro the UN charter of human rights that would make sense, but the US constitution?