I mean… That is a theory. I don’t like it but it’s still better than war. Arguably the cold war and proxy wars prevented a major war…
I dont think of it as a perfect win obviously because of the proxy wars like Vietnam and Korea. Those wars specifically gave me a bucket full of nice medals but cost me every single one of my uncles. There were other proxy wars though.
Anyway my point is 2 fold.
Arguably that strategy prevented a much bloodier war between Russia and the US but there were still better ways to handle that without any war.
And 2) if you ignore the proxy wars the “cold war” approach is one way to avoid war, I guess. The government equivalent of the obnoxious drunk guy flexing his muscles and saying “you don’t want none of this bro”… It’s better than a war but not my favorite strategy. Although I might not like that approach it did prevent a war, it was better than a war… So… Good job?
Again the proxy wars ruin that but they were unnecessary and didn’t change much for the US or Russia. Obviously they did a lot of damage to the countries we fought in. My point is the cold war approach didn’t need that to prevent the war. It actually pushed us closer.
I’m just saying the “I’ve got a bigger gun” diplomacy… Well it’s definitely a strategy that is better than war…
If someone is running from a burning building, I don’t feel sending them back inside the building while you decide what if anything you want to do is a well planned strategy.
My point isn’t “take the Jews, problem solved” my point is “here’s one strategy off the top of my head that would’ve helped a lot. If I can think of one easy solution so effortlessly then we clearly put no effort into fixing the problem without a war. No effort at all”
If you want full details of how exactly we could’ve prevented war listed out by experts… Google it. Like I said at the beginning. The info is out there. Why should I copy and paste it for you. Go read it yourself.
It’s one of many easy things we could’ve done but didn’t do. If you want a complete answer you can Google it. I said I don’t have the time to list it all here but the information is easily available.
just getting jews out of germany would specifically not have worked because hitler mostly cared about german imperialism and used jews as a scapegoat. this would not have stopped the nazis, though it would have saved jewish lives
No one single thing could have fixed the complex situation. If you want the complex answer, Google it. Better people than me have explained it. I don’t have the time or energy.
I do mean that sincerely. I gather you disagree with me and that’s absolutely fine. There’s definitely a lot of solid arguments out there against it. I understand.
You at least respected I don’t have the time or energy right now to get into a long complicated discussion. I just wanted to say what I told soldiers instead of “thanks for your service”
I shouldn’t have lumped you in with the others, and for that i do sincerely apologize.
Edit: and I’m not as much of an asshat as I sound in my comments to others. I’m just tired and too busy to go into all the complexity involved in avoiding a world war. Obviously that would take hours to even get to “I respectfully disagree”.
Wow that’s so much better than “thank you for your service”. I’d use yours, but I don’t really admire vets either. But still. “Thanks for being the heel of the boot on the world that secures my latte” is pretty frustrating.
Like I said I don’t agree with war, Ive got a bucket full of medals from dead uncles I’ll never meet who died .
I agree war is pointless. I understand most people who join the military do so for a stable career not to fight for a specific cause.
I understand all of that.
However if you handed me a million dollars and a gun, then told me to go to a country I’m not familiar with and fight an army I know nothing about…I’d turn that down. Partly because of my opinions but mostly because Im not willing to risk death for a million dollars. Military people don’t get a million dollars.
I can call it pointless, useless, irresponsible. I can even say it’s a bad choice…
Those people are absolutely braver than I am. I can admit that.
Even if I agreed with the war and was offered a million dollars… I’d need some time to think about it.
I can admit they are brave without being dishonest to my beliefs
Edit: To explain what I mean with a very crude example:
"You robbed the cactus and tick store?! butt ass naked!? Wel… I can’t say that was a good idea… Or even worth the effort… I won’t thank you or imply you did it for me. It was absolutely not necessary.
I can say I’d never be able to do that myself, even if I had to. So congrats on that. It was certainly brave. I feel comfortable saying that . I also hope the doctors can remove all the spines and ticks from your scrotum because I don’t think you should have to live with that forever. I always vote to remove ticks and spines from your scrotum. I’ll never vote for robbing the tick/cactus store naked tho."
I don’t believe in wars (don’t message me, yes there was a way to end your specific example thru diplomacy. Look it up on google)
Anyway I always go with “I admire you’re bravery” because that doesn’t go against my beliefs but still shows respect for what they had to do.
(Yes I’m being an idiot, I agree with you)
I mean… That is a theory. I don’t like it but it’s still better than war. Arguably the cold war and proxy wars prevented a major war…
I dont think of it as a perfect win obviously because of the proxy wars like Vietnam and Korea. Those wars specifically gave me a bucket full of nice medals but cost me every single one of my uncles. There were other proxy wars though.
Anyway my point is 2 fold.
And 2) if you ignore the proxy wars the “cold war” approach is one way to avoid war, I guess. The government equivalent of the obnoxious drunk guy flexing his muscles and saying “you don’t want none of this bro”… It’s better than a war but not my favorite strategy. Although I might not like that approach it did prevent a war, it was better than a war… So… Good job?
Again the proxy wars ruin that but they were unnecessary and didn’t change much for the US or Russia. Obviously they did a lot of damage to the countries we fought in. My point is the cold war approach didn’t need that to prevent the war. It actually pushed us closer.
I’m just saying the “I’ve got a bigger gun” diplomacy… Well it’s definitely a strategy that is better than war…
It’s true, just search “should we have fought the Axis” and you’ll find Aeao’s beliefs.
We could’ve stopped the Nazis by… You know… Allowing Jewish people to move to America…
But bombs are cool too I guess. If you only want to be slightly less racist than Nazis and are fine with a lot of unnecessary death.
aeao taking the controversial “appeasement didn’t go far ENOUGH” stance
If someone is running from a burning building, I don’t feel sending them back inside the building while you decide what if anything you want to do is a well planned strategy.
My point isn’t “take the Jews, problem solved” my point is “here’s one strategy off the top of my head that would’ve helped a lot. If I can think of one easy solution so effortlessly then we clearly put no effort into fixing the problem without a war. No effort at all”
If you want full details of how exactly we could’ve prevented war listed out by experts… Google it. Like I said at the beginning. The info is out there. Why should I copy and paste it for you. Go read it yourself.
I’m not here to hold your hand.
you can just say you’re uninformed that’s allowed
I’m plenty informed. I just have no desire to educate you. I don’t feel id get a fair return from that investment.I said that from the beginning.
If you want to know the answers, google it. If you don’t want to know, why should I try to force you. I’m a busy man. Do your own research.
If you want more sarcasm keep replying. that’s all I’m willing to offer you.
i don’t want to know what google has to say, i want to know what aeao has to say
Then pay my consulting fee. Google is free. I am not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement
I know what appeasement means. It was very clearly not what I was talking about.
So just allow Hitler to take over europe and make an ethnostate through mass exodus?
If you’re talking about the nukes, I agree, they were unnecessary as Axis Japan was already on the decline.
But to argue the entire war was preventable by just displacing jewish people is naive and borders on antisemitic.
There might’ve been ways to prevent the war from starting, like not destroying Germany’s economy as a scapegoat for WW1 would have done a lot.
But after the Nazis siezed power there’s nothing you could do to diplomacy the Nazis into being peaceful.
It’s one of many easy things we could’ve done but didn’t do. If you want a complete answer you can Google it. I said I don’t have the time to list it all here but the information is easily available.
just getting jews out of germany would specifically not have worked because hitler mostly cared about german imperialism and used jews as a scapegoat. this would not have stopped the nazis, though it would have saved jewish lives
No one single thing could have fixed the complex situation. If you want the complex answer, Google it. Better people than me have explained it. I don’t have the time or energy.
There it is
There what is?
“War is unnecessary. Don’t message me about war you like. Just look it up yourself”
“What about this war”
“Unnecessary”
Shocked Pikachu face
Literally nobody is surprised at your answer
Yet you asked the question anyway just so you could say “there it is” and pat yourself on the back like you uncovered something.
It’s like if I said “I don’t believe I’m the death penalty”
And you responded “what about for really bad people”
“Yes even for really bad people”
“There it is!”
It’s nonsense.
Didn’t ask you a question
Fair enough. Other people asked but you absolutely did not. You are correct. I’ll take that L
I do mean that sincerely. I gather you disagree with me and that’s absolutely fine. There’s definitely a lot of solid arguments out there against it. I understand.
You at least respected I don’t have the time or energy right now to get into a long complicated discussion. I just wanted to say what I told soldiers instead of “thanks for your service”
I shouldn’t have lumped you in with the others, and for that i do sincerely apologize.
Edit: and I’m not as much of an asshat as I sound in my comments to others. I’m just tired and too busy to go into all the complexity involved in avoiding a world war. Obviously that would take hours to even get to “I respectfully disagree”.
Wow that’s so much better than “thank you for your service”. I’d use yours, but I don’t really admire vets either. But still. “Thanks for being the heel of the boot on the world that secures my latte” is pretty frustrating.
I understand your point but I disagree.
Like I said I don’t agree with war, Ive got a bucket full of medals from dead uncles I’ll never meet who died .
I agree war is pointless. I understand most people who join the military do so for a stable career not to fight for a specific cause.
I understand all of that.
However if you handed me a million dollars and a gun, then told me to go to a country I’m not familiar with and fight an army I know nothing about…I’d turn that down. Partly because of my opinions but mostly because Im not willing to risk death for a million dollars. Military people don’t get a million dollars.
I can call it pointless, useless, irresponsible. I can even say it’s a bad choice…
Those people are absolutely braver than I am. I can admit that.
Even if I agreed with the war and was offered a million dollars… I’d need some time to think about it.
I can admit they are brave without being dishonest to my beliefs
Edit: To explain what I mean with a very crude example:
"You robbed the cactus and tick store?! butt ass naked!? Wel… I can’t say that was a good idea… Or even worth the effort… I won’t thank you or imply you did it for me. It was absolutely not necessary.
I can say I’d never be able to do that myself, even if I had to. So congrats on that. It was certainly brave. I feel comfortable saying that . I also hope the doctors can remove all the spines and ticks from your scrotum because I don’t think you should have to live with that forever. I always vote to remove ticks and spines from your scrotum. I’ll never vote for robbing the tick/cactus store naked tho."
i need to learn how to say ‘you’re’ distinctly from ‘your’