But its not Republican votes she’s leaving on the table. Its literally registered Democrats. And Democrats put the responsibility for the state of things on the Israeli government.
Center right republicans are up for grabs here, idk if youve heard but Harris and Trump are pretty much neck and neck in every battleground state. She’s trying to reach out to Republicans that are fully sick of Trumpian politics. It’s not progressive voters she’s courting nor should she
And if she loses as a result? Then who are you going to blame? The Democrats who left her? the Republicans who didnt join her? Or harris for being so committed to genocide she lost to a literal fascist?
Keep in mind the longer she waits the more likely it is those historically democratic voters are lost due to early voting.
It’s her calculus man, not mine. The Harris campaign has decided this is the way to go, if she loses because of it then she loses because of it. I think it’s the right way to go but honestly not really any point arguing about it, we’re gonna find out real soon either way
indeed we are. but then you’ll be stuck knowing you did jack shit to stop a genocide when all you had to do was lie a little bit to make her sweat it out. maybe follow through if your state can take the hit on democratic support. instead you decided your effort was better spent arguing with me and others like me instead of getting in on the game. =)
None of you morons know how to go more than two comments deep in a discussion without shutting your fucking brains off for fun. You want me to lose sleep because I, me personally, user grubbyweasel of lemmy dot com, didn’t do anything to stop the Israelis?
You want me to lie to Kamala Harris to make her sweat? And that’ll save Palestine? What the fuck are you talking about?
Not just to turn Republicans, but to depress the Republican vote. Speculation here, but I think it’s reasonable to bet there’s a large number of Christian Republican voters who will never vote for Harris but aren’t motivated enough to vote for Trump…unless Harris condemns Israel. If Harris gains 2% Dem votes from never-genocide lefties but Trump gets 5% votes from Israel-to-the-max Christians, she loses.
I’m just really happy you responded with this, so thank you.
Posterity, when you are looking back on this, the comment above is the kind of wack-a-doodle, baseless, hopium, purely speculative, completely devoid of evidence kind of thinking people were using to defend Kamalas’ obvious failures as a candidate.
I’m all about tactics, but I’m all about evidence as well. If you can provide some data, some evidence that what your saying has merit, I’m more than happy to discuss.
That’s a complicated one. I think we can agree that in general, Republicans support Israel and don’t believe that Israel bears any responsibility for their genocide in Gaza, and largely either don’t believe there’s a genocide happening or are perfectly happy that it is happening.
But I can’t find any specific poll numbers asking Republicans “would you be more likely to vote for Trump if Harris denounces Israel?” So I don’t have any hard data, just informed guesses.
You lose way more voters than you gain on the issue by resorting to all out condemnation of one of our biggest allies, unfortunate as it is
If only there were some policy between the current enthusiastic unconditional support and all out condemnation.
Maybe if Harris were running as a Republican.
But its not Republican votes she’s leaving on the table. Its literally registered Democrats. And Democrats put the responsibility for the state of things on the Israeli government.
Center right republicans are up for grabs here, idk if youve heard but Harris and Trump are pretty much neck and neck in every battleground state. She’s trying to reach out to Republicans that are fully sick of Trumpian politics. It’s not progressive voters she’s courting nor should she
And if she loses as a result? Then who are you going to blame? The Democrats who left her? the Republicans who didnt join her? Or harris for being so committed to genocide she lost to a literal fascist?
Keep in mind the longer she waits the more likely it is those historically democratic voters are lost due to early voting.
Centrists will do what they always do. They will interpret a win as vindication and an indicator that moving to the right works.
They will blame their left for a loss, announce that the left are unreliable voters, and use that as justification for moving to the right.
It’s her calculus man, not mine. The Harris campaign has decided this is the way to go, if she loses because of it then she loses because of it. I think it’s the right way to go but honestly not really any point arguing about it, we’re gonna find out real soon either way
indeed we are. but then you’ll be stuck knowing you did jack shit to stop a genocide when all you had to do was lie a little bit to make her sweat it out. maybe follow through if your state can take the hit on democratic support. instead you decided your effort was better spent arguing with me and others like me instead of getting in on the game. =)
None of you morons know how to go more than two comments deep in a discussion without shutting your fucking brains off for fun. You want me to lose sleep because I, me personally, user grubbyweasel of lemmy dot com, didn’t do anything to stop the Israelis?
You want me to lie to Kamala Harris to make her sweat? And that’ll save Palestine? What the fuck are you talking about?
Thank you.
You are literally arguing she make a speculative play to turn Republicans instead of going after registered Democrats that she’s lost.
I’m highlighting this to demonstrate for posterity how patently absurd the apologist rhetoric was on this matter.
Not just to turn Republicans, but to depress the Republican vote. Speculation here, but I think it’s reasonable to bet there’s a large number of Christian Republican voters who will never vote for Harris but aren’t motivated enough to vote for Trump…unless Harris condemns Israel. If Harris gains 2% Dem votes from never-genocide lefties but Trump gets 5% votes from Israel-to-the-max Christians, she loses.
I’m just really happy you responded with this, so thank you.
Posterity, when you are looking back on this, the comment above is the kind of wack-a-doodle, baseless, hopium, purely speculative, completely devoid of evidence kind of thinking people were using to defend Kamalas’ obvious failures as a candidate.
Tactics in first past the post democracies is indeed whackadoodle, but that’s the system we live in.
I’m all about tactics, but I’m all about evidence as well. If you can provide some data, some evidence that what your saying has merit, I’m more than happy to discuss.
That’s a complicated one. I think we can agree that in general, Republicans support Israel and don’t believe that Israel bears any responsibility for their genocide in Gaza, and largely either don’t believe there’s a genocide happening or are perfectly happy that it is happening.
Here’s an article from back in July where Republican leaders (not voters) condemn Harris for expressing sympathy for Palestinian civilian deaths: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/07/republican-rhetoric-on-harris-position-on-israel-goes-too-far/
About 30% of Republicans want the US to pull back on ceasefire negotiations: https://www.newsweek.com/poll-democrats-republicans-divided-israel-role-war-escalation-1977027
Trump is absolutely courting Jewish Republicans: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-09-05/trump-harris-israel-gaza-hamas-hostages
But I can’t find any specific poll numbers asking Republicans “would you be more likely to vote for Trump if Harris denounces Israel?” So I don’t have any hard data, just informed guesses.