Summary
In Wayne County, Arab American precincts rejected Kamala Harris, with Biden receiving 82% of the vote in 2020 and Harris only 23% in 2024.
Trump’s outreach to Arab American and Muslim communities, including visits to Dearborn and Hamtramck, contributed to his increased support.
Harris’s performance in Dearborn, where she received only 13% of the vote in the south end, reflects the backlash against Biden’s handling of foreign policy in the Middle East.
Harris refused to take a stand against Israel so why should they vote for her?
Why are they selfish? Because they didn’t vote how YOU wanted? Who’s being selfish here?
Oh yea, because Trump’s definitely gonna take a stand against Israel and TOTALLY won’t give them a blank check and encourage genocide. Nope.
At least we didn’t give that blUe MagA the Trifecta! We did it Lemmy!
They didn’t vote for trump. They didn’t vote. Both sides promised to continue the genocide. That’s pretty fair.
“A non-vote is a vote for Trump”
Trump did not gain a whole lot of raw votes compared to 2020. Last I saw he had figures of a net gain of ~500k
Harris fell 4 million short. If you didn’t vote because of some stupid protest, you voted for Trump. Netanyahu publicly wanted Trump to win.
AFAIC, every protest-voter, every third-party voter, every “BlUe MAgA” screecher is a MAGAt who directly contributed to this shit show we’re about to have.
Let’s see how many more elections y’all gotta lose before you learn. Or maybe y’all lost the big one because you just couldn’t stop yourselfs from begging for leftist votes you couldnt compromise with.
Except it’s not even you. Your just a random dude body blocking for a billion dollar campaign. Human being to human being here, why can’t you blame the DNC? Genuinely? They ran the election, they got the polls, they knew what was popular and what they would win votes with but we’re unwilling to do it and gambled on a different strategy. Is that not their fault?
Oh I do, but they are not 100% here, in all likelihood MAGA would have fallen apart had he lost and then we could have had our hand ringing and protest votes and all that for 4 years. Giving the Rs the senate and house would have been preferable to a Trump presidency if you wanted to protest something.
I fully agree with you. And I took voted harris just to be clear. But you believe the Dems could of won with the leftist vote that sat out. The Dems were also aware of that due to the large uncommitted movement. Is that not enough to blame the dems for never shifting any position leftward to capture and motivate that base? Why does your final blame, the one that has you here arguing with presumably like minded allies for the upcoming fascist regime rather than joining in blaming the DNC in hopes that that pressure will cause them to not try the same “fuck the left” strategy they have now lost 2 elections with trump over.
She got like 12 million less votes than Biden. Wake the fuck up. The single-issue voters ruined this. Protest voters ruined this.
No the fuck they did not.
They contributed to this outcome. But the real root cause is that the DNC thought it would be a great idea to just straight up ignore the base, ignore the fact that despite the fact that “the economy is great”, normal fucking people in the middle and lower class have been struggling for like a decade and a half. The middle class is being hollowed out, and the lower class is being crushed to death. THAT is the primary reason Harris lost: nobody believes the idiotic platitudes the DNC shills anymore, because there’s never fucking ANY follow through. Single issue voters were just the frosting on that cake.
All that said: dropping that many voters from the base should be grounds for fully excommunicating any and all party leadership from the DNC. And if they aren’t , the Democratic Party genuinely cannot be considered a serious political party anymore (but they’ll surely shamble on for years due to mega donors).
Oh cause that is really going to help things. That’s such a stupid stance to take. It’s a complete abdication of any agency or power they have as voters. In this election a non-vote was a vote for Trump cause most likely non-voters were the pearl clutching centrist democrats who were literally one-issue voters. One-issue voters are pathetic and stupid.
And yet Trump was the man Netanyahu wanted. Why in the world wouldn’t that be their sign. Oh, I guess to be fair it doesn’t rhyme, so it was probably hard for you guys to understand.
Too many people in this thread think they know better about the average voter. Most Americans don’t actually give a shit about politics. It’s getting them to care is the problem. Most people in the USA are too fucking stupid for their own good. Most of the people in this thread are too sensitive to realize they are part of the problem. Arab Americans aren’t directly responsible for Trump’s win but they contributed to it by holding out their votes on a single issue. If both candidates were literally the same as each other besides their stance on Gaza then I can see the logic of not voting for one over the other or abstaining. This was not the case. Most of you trying to act like Harris should have come out and promise to personally stop the genocide don’t realize that the Jewish population in America controls more money, power and influence than the Arab vote. So both sides are going to go out of their way to support Israel. You pearl clutchers don’t get this.
That’s a roundabout way to say you consider them selfish for not voting for a candidate they believe will keep the genocide of their relatives going.
You want to consider both sides the same when they are not. Are Democrats perfect? No. Are they a better alternative? Yes. Setting aside the ongoing issue of Israel and Palestine and whether or not either state should exist (Hint: it’s likely neither, but Israel does have a more historical claim), the issue WITHIN AMERICA is that Trump and his cronies want to install a slew of right wing fascists into positions of power WITHIN AMERICA. Yet stupid assholes like you want to concern yourself with whats going on in a foreign country when shit is going bad right here. Get your head out of your ass.
Setting aside the exact issue we’re talking about?
No.
And no, having left an area 2,000 years ago does not give you the right to genocide the people who stayed.
Go read about it then. Sorry not sorry that Jews, Egyptians, Italians, French and English have a greater claim to the area than any Arab speaking peoples, Palestinian or otherwise. If you want to ignore history then just shut the fuck up.
The Arab people that have lived there for thousands of years? You sir, are ridiculous.
Oh wow mask came off
This is the thing I can stand least about liberals. They’re the smartest, most moral people in the world and anyone who doesn’t vote their way for any reason is stupid and bad
“Voting 3rd party or sitting out during the election basically cedes the election to one of two parties. We should at least choose the party that has a better chance to be swayed against genocide than the one who openly advocates for the genociders to ‘finish the job’”
“L1b3RaL!!1!a”
I’m not saying liberals are the smartest and most moral people, they definitely aren’t. But dismissing reality of the American political system and the almost certain likelihood of the US presidential election to vote for neither of the two main parties and expecting something good to come out of it is pretty telling to one’s critical thinking skills.
I expect nothing good to come from voting 🤷
Great, so you’re part of the problem just like the democrats are 👍
I voted for Dems to defund the war in 06. They didn’t. I voted for Obama to bring troops home, close Guantanamo, and give us a public option in 08. He didn’t. So what’s the point of voting for the the winner???
Welcome to the reality of politics. Don’t like it? You have a few options: Get involved in activism, or run for office yourself by starting at the local level and work your way up. Want a formidable 3rd left-leaning party? Bolster the numbers of SPUSA, SPA, or any other ones that flew under the radar. We can also organize ways to kick the milquetoast centrists and moderate-right out of the democratic party. Hell, I wouldn’t be opposed to muddying the waters among Republicans since there’s already a lot of pushback regarding trumps choices for cabinet members and such.
Whining about every problems without finding solutions makes you sound immature and pathetic. If it really bothers you, action speaks louder than words. Do something about it.
So you agree with me: voting accomplishes nothing
Nowhere in my explanation suggests that. If you knew how politics works, you’d understand that activism can encourage more people to vote. Hell, I suggested supporting 3rd parties. Can’t do that without voting.
Which is crazy cuz I’m actually the smartest, most moral person in the world, and I voted for De La Cruz
Classic. Here’s a song written in 1966 about the same thing https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA?si=Quu3uCr8FEPUlTGr