• @JeeBaiChow
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    1241 month ago

    Glad their nominee is doing exactly what he said he would. /s

    • @Moops
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      951 month ago

      Right!? I’ve been so confused by the notion of Trump being the anti-Israel vote. That’s not what I heard him say.

      • @Lauchs
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        531 month ago

        I had someone arguing at me here, with the supreme confidence of the ignorant, that trump and Harris would be the same for Palestineans.

        • Admiral Patrick
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          I thought those accounts went dormant after the election. Maybe there’s still some OpenAI credit left on the controller?

          • @Gsus4@mander.xyzOP
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            281 month ago

            They are trying to foment division among trump’s opposition, the disinfo machines never stop until there is a civil war or collapse.

          • @Lauchs
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            41 month ago

            One of those dumb fucks already responded here.

            But Id like to think they’re AI instead of just mind numbingly stupid.

        • Rhaedas
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          221 month ago

          The Harris/Biden comparison was more valid, although we can’t be sure she would stay that path once in office and with pressure from Congress and public. But at least there was a chance of both of those. Anyone who thought Trump wouldn’t ramp things up or would listen to calls for change…I don’t know what they were thinking. He’s never done that, never been like that. His history as a businessman and as a President for four years is right there to review.

          • @Lauchs
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            31 month ago

            The thing is that Harris could be moved by progressives winning primaries and the 2026 midterms at the very least. There is almost no hope of something similar for trump.

        • @Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          -81 month ago

          I I genuinely wonder what would change? What’s worse than denying and backing the genocide with weapons, soldiers and money under Biden? What worse could Trump do?

          • @Lauchs
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            71 month ago

            The West Bank, where roughly half of Palestineans live was more or less left alone as one of yhr administrations red lines (also, Iran’s oil/nuclear facilities.)

            With trump incoming, it seems Israel feels they have a green light to expand in the West Bank.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness
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              -21 month ago

              Israel have been aggressively expanding in the West Bank since October 7, and intensified their campaign at around the same time they started the war with Lebanon. There are no red lines.

              • @Lauchs
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                21 month ago

                What new settlements happened thete in the last year? You are conflating an increase in tensions and conflict with expansion.

                  • @mightyfoolish
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                    21 month ago

                    You are arguing with absolute liars. It’s like people only thinking this mess accelerated under Biden (who is the most paid politician by AIPAC) is just a coincidence. As if Israel hasn’t been expanding into some of the most important Palestinian cities while the world focuses on Gaza.

                    It’s the same people who say what can Biden possibly do while funding their military operations. Trump sees the praise Biden is getting from Congress and actually thinks Biden must have been doing something right. Yet, somehow there was a good choice for people who want to see Palestine prosper (Those who pretend that Harris would do better because she doesn’t shout her plans out like some cliché comic book villain).

                    But let’s call Trump a huge liar and let’s take his word at face value when it’s convenient for us. I’m sure the Democrats who never learn a thing will be excited to lose the next election as well. Obviously, Trump won’t be a good president but Democrats lost because they were seen as slightly less evil but with no charisma.

                    It’s not us, everyone else is just stupid. - Democrats

                  • @Lauchs
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                    21 month ago

                    From the article:

                    In the past year, about 4,555 Palestinians have been displaced in the West Bank after Israeli forces demolished their homes.

                    Now, I’m no mathematician but surely you understand that’s orders of magnitude fewer than have been displaced in Gaza, right? Please?

            • @Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              -31 month ago

              Thank god that the Palestinian that got their land stolen and are living like second grade citizen under apartheid are no touch. All thanks to daddy US !. You and I both know the red line is to not bomb their own Israeli settlers, right? They always had the green light… nothing really changed.

              • @Lauchs
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                -21 month ago

                I don’t think you know what apartheid actually was.

                • @Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  If you deny that they’re living under apartheid, the term used by south Africa itself to describe the palestinian situation, then there’s need to discuss any further.

                  • @Lauchs
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                    With all respect, I had to chuckle at this as it reminded myself of me, a quarter century-ish ago, when after having watched Colin Powell give his speech to the UN about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, I confidently supported it. Then, a kind socials studies teacher pointed out the retrospectively obvious, just because a government says it, doesn’t make it true. But he did so without making me feel belittled or dumb so I’ll try to pass on the favour.

                    I’d think of it though like when trump as President says there was massive electoral fraud, when Hungary/Belarus argues for denazifying Ukraine etc. Just because a government is saying something does not make it true.

                    In the case of South Africa, context is huge, so let me share that with you.

                    Since actual Apartheid, South Africa’s been ruled for 30 uninterrupted years by the ANC, which wins largely on the basis of being A) Mandela’s party and B) the symbol of anti-colonialism etc. In the last 15 or so years though, progress has pretty much stopped (the stats on indoor plumbing, electricity, youth unemployment etc are heart breaking) and they’ve started bleeding support especially to harder, more populist, vehemently anti white parties (the two main rivals argue for seizing any white farms) on the one side and the technocratic but “whitey” party, the DA on the other side. Coming into this year, the polls and election results were the worst that the ANC has ever suffered, leading to a humiliating, first ever, coalition government with the ANC and the DA.

                    Amidst this backdrop, Gaza happened. I cannot imagine an easier symbol of the ANC’s anti-colonial roots than lobbying a very anti colonial case at the ICJ. All the benefits of identity politics and symbolism with almost zero cost. Especially when you consider the ANC almost certainly expected they were going to have to form an unpopular coalition government and to avoid burning the country down, would do so with whitey’s colonial party. (And yes, Ramaphosa absolutely touted and campaigned on his government’s cases at the ICJ.)

                    Edit: Sorry, Ramaphosa is the president of South Africa and leader of the ANC. Also, even without the domestic backdrop, you might consider their BRICS membership and what that entails.

          • @AA5B
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            61 month ago

            The current issues will end, Biden was at least making noises to get it to stop, Biden was trying to prevent the regional war Iran has been working on, and there were decent indications there would be recovery funding.

            Trump indicated none of that and all signs point to encouraging more atrocity

        • NoneOfUrBusiness
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          -111 month ago

          I mean yeah he would be/is, at least until Israel’s genocide is over. There is literally nothing Trump can do (at least while beholden to the public and Congress) in this war that Biden hasn’t already done.

            • @Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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              11 month ago

              People have been yammering on for many years that ‘America needs a businessman for a leader’ without realizing how fucked that statement is. The idea that business people are always efficient and effective doesn’t even capture what the hell happens normally or even the difference between a business and government.

              Also for ‘businessmen’ like Trump who have had numerous bankruptcies, also have an affinity for routinely breaking the law and regulations as a matter of course. This is because major companies ALWAYS have multiple lawsuits and violations investigations going on that they try to delay and delay, because the legal fees and fines and such are all factored into the cost of business. Violate safety regulations? No problem. It is better (and cheaper) to fight the injury lawsuits and occassionally have to pay out than simply to have the regulations fully complied with. Fucked some employees over and violate contract terms on the regular? By the time the lawsuit gets heard it’ll be years and they have gotten all what they wanted and much more, then maybe they can settle out of court for a few peanuts after they exhausted the plaintiff.

              Do you realize how batshit insane Trump’s picks for his cabinet are? They are done in large part because he A: Wants to establish dominance over congress by seeing if they contest him, and B: Making them have to WORK and FIGHT to get those picks contested, which may not be successful and will waste tons of time and resources. This is EXACTLY how businesses operate and have been operating for many, many years.

              This is why a businessman for a leader is the worst thing ever.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness
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              I mean he is to an extent. Everyone is talking like the fascist project in America is finished, but it’s not and there’s no guarantee they’ll be able to complete it. That said it’s mostly Congress doing the heavy lifting here; there are enough sane Republicans that Trump wouldn’t be able to get away with some of the more outrageous stuff.

              • @neatchee
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                131 month ago

                I would love to see the list of Republicans in Congress whose districts/states WEREN’T carried by pro-Trump zealots and who WOULDN’T lose their seats if they went against Trump.

                Hint: it could fit on an index card, double spaced

                • NoneOfUrBusiness
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                  I mean there were Republicans opposed to one of his appointments (don’t remember who) and you only need four of them to side with the Democrats to get a majority.

                • @pivot_root
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                  41 month ago

                  That’s such a waste of card stock. Use a sticky note.

          • @Lauchs
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            61 month ago

            That’s the silliest damn thing.

            Why do you think Israel announced they were annexing the West Bank right after the election?

            Ignorant goddamn children spouting off about global politics.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness
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              So first, I can’t actually find anything about this except Smotrich pushing for annexation so do you have a source that says they’re going to go forward with annexation? Now second, Smotrich started yapping about annexing West Bank settlements (not the whole West Bank; if Israel did that they’d have to give Palestinians rights) literally a day or two after the election, meaning he already had plans for something similar before then. You don’t just wake up and start taking steps towards annexing an occupied territory that’s not how that works.

              • @Lauchs
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                41 month ago

                You mean, finance minister Smotrich?

                And yes, believe it or not, the Israelis were not the only people on Earth who didn’t know about the election of their largest ally and presumably gameplanned for either a Harris or trump victory.

                The fact Smotrich held back from saying anything until after the election tells you the election mattered in terms of what happens next.

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        I’m not.

        A significant percentage of likely Democratic voters in several states voted “undecided” in the primaries with the public, stated purpose of making it clear to Biden/Harris that they wanted changes with regard to US policy on Israel’s genocide.

        Biden/Harris ignored them.

        Of course they didn’t get those votes. It’s one thing to double-down on bombing kids. It’s another to double-down on bombing kids and also tell voters to go fuck themselves.

        • @Moops
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          51 month ago

          I hope the decision turns out well for them.