There something about .world’s culture that supports uncritically circlejerking about how bad <outgroup> is.
Mention hexbear and you’ll get half a dozen .world comments accusing them of anything from being secret republicans to antisemites to russian trolls or chinese bots, and how awful they were when they brigaded every thread on .world.
Note that .world has never been federated with them.
Note that .world has never been federated with them.
(actually they were for a short while, right after hexbear started federating with other instances (hexbear had until then been completely isolated from the rest of the fediverse as their fork of lemmy didn’t support federation). that was a very chaotic time though)
If you’d ever expressed an opinion about the Russian or Chinese governments that isn’t abject praise, you would know why we’re shitting on .ml instances
Actually, the opinion I see most often on .ml is that modern day Russia sucks, and is bad because they’ve turned into a capitalist warmongering empire similar to the US. People are pretty mixed on China, but legit if you just look at the technological advances coming out of China - just verified stuff that’s been scientifically proven and then deployed - it’s pretty impressive, especially surrounding batteries. So, if you’re suspicious of China then any good news about China will come off as a conspiracy, but in reality things are pretty mixed and there’s a lot of good and bad about nations, and no one state is all good or all bad. Anyone reducing the complexity of geopolitics down to one nation = good / other nation = bad is either dumb, trolling, not speaking in good faith, indoctrinated or just repeating propaganda.
Oh lol, that’s weird, I thought it was common knowledge that China censors some types of speech, similarly to every other nation. If I was running a state, I’d want to censor transphobic slurs, arguments for gender inequality, pro-Capitalist propaganda, racism, etc. IMO there’s nothing inherently morally wrong about censorship, and I see a lot of think pieces from US / NATO outlets like Voice of America yelling that China is bad because it censors speech, without giving any context or nuance about what type of speech is being censored and also distracting from the US’s massive censorship.
On the oppression point - I guess it mostly matters who’s getting oppressed. If it’s regular working people being oppressed, fuck that, but if we implemented policies as a society that forced billionaires to give up their wealth I’m sure they’d cry about being “oppressed”. I don’t have any sympathy for the cries of CEOs and mega-landlords about how they’re being oppressed by being forced to give back their stolen wealth.
China censors some types of speech, similarly to every other nation
Yeah but they censor speech a bit more similarly to North Korea or Oceania than to any western country. Remember that time Kathy Griffin posted a picture with an effigy of Trump’s decapitated head? Her career was ruined after that, but she notably faced no legal consequences. Contrast that with the CCP, which doesn’t even allow you to mock the head of state.
Not allowing working class people to openly decry the government is oppression. But I’m sure you can find several headlines about how much working class people support the CCP, as if that isn’t evidence toward the fact that they’re not allowed to criticize it.
Oh so it’s not about marxist ideology itself? It’s about fake leftists who support authoritarian dictatorships and call themselves progressives despite the two being incompatible.
If you’re down voting me it might help to explain why. I was asking from a neutral perspective. I don’t think anyone gains from dismissing a genuine question.
There are far more than a “few idiots” and worst of all, they’re admins and mods and quite frankly, just overly toxic to newcomers. They’re a bad look for Lemmy overall.
Why are we shitting on .ml instances? Sure there’s a few idiots who use them but they’re the vocal minority.
There something about .world’s culture that supports uncritically circlejerking about how bad <outgroup> is.
Mention hexbear and you’ll get half a dozen .world comments accusing them of anything from being secret republicans to antisemites to russian trolls or chinese bots, and how awful they were when they brigaded every thread on .world.
Note that .world has never been federated with them.
(actually they were for a short while, right after hexbear started federating with other instances (hexbear had until then been completely isolated from the rest of the fediverse as their fork of lemmy didn’t support federation). that was a very chaotic time though)
Nope, Lemmy.world “preemptively de-federated” hexbear “as a last resort” before federation
It’s crazy what people falsely remember from other people just making shit up though.
Huh. I must have mixed it up with another instance then
Most of the idiots are running the instance.
Those “idiots” are the developers of lemmy.
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If you’d ever expressed an opinion about the Russian or Chinese governments that isn’t abject praise, you would know why we’re shitting on .ml instances
Actually, the opinion I see most often on .ml is that modern day Russia sucks, and is bad because they’ve turned into a capitalist warmongering empire similar to the US. People are pretty mixed on China, but legit if you just look at the technological advances coming out of China - just verified stuff that’s been scientifically proven and then deployed - it’s pretty impressive, especially surrounding batteries. So, if you’re suspicious of China then any good news about China will come off as a conspiracy, but in reality things are pretty mixed and there’s a lot of good and bad about nations, and no one state is all good or all bad. Anyone reducing the complexity of geopolitics down to one nation = good / other nation = bad is either dumb, trolling, not speaking in good faith, indoctrinated or just repeating propaganda.
Acknowledging that the CCP censors people is part of what got me banned lmao
I’ve never been suspicious about the technological advancements coming from China, it’s really just the censorship and oppression that I’ve criticized
Oh lol, that’s weird, I thought it was common knowledge that China censors some types of speech, similarly to every other nation. If I was running a state, I’d want to censor transphobic slurs, arguments for gender inequality, pro-Capitalist propaganda, racism, etc. IMO there’s nothing inherently morally wrong about censorship, and I see a lot of think pieces from US / NATO outlets like Voice of America yelling that China is bad because it censors speech, without giving any context or nuance about what type of speech is being censored and also distracting from the US’s massive censorship.
On the oppression point - I guess it mostly matters who’s getting oppressed. If it’s regular working people being oppressed, fuck that, but if we implemented policies as a society that forced billionaires to give up their wealth I’m sure they’d cry about being “oppressed”. I don’t have any sympathy for the cries of CEOs and mega-landlords about how they’re being oppressed by being forced to give back their stolen wealth.
Yeah but they censor speech a bit more similarly to North Korea or Oceania than to any western country. Remember that time Kathy Griffin posted a picture with an effigy of Trump’s decapitated head? Her career was ruined after that, but she notably faced no legal consequences. Contrast that with the CCP, which doesn’t even allow you to mock the head of state.
Not allowing working class people to openly decry the government is oppression. But I’m sure you can find several headlines about how much working class people support the CCP, as if that isn’t evidence toward the fact that they’re not allowed to criticize it.
Oh so it’s not about marxist ideology itself? It’s about fake leftists who support authoritarian dictatorships and call themselves progressives despite the two being incompatible.
If you’re down voting me it might help to explain why. I was asking from a neutral perspective. I don’t think anyone gains from dismissing a genuine question.
There are far more than a “few idiots” and worst of all, they’re admins and mods and quite frankly, just overly toxic to newcomers. They’re a bad look for Lemmy overall.
The intolerance of .world basically.
My meme is calling for growth of non lemmy.ml communities on any instance. I could not give a fuck about .world specifically.
How are they intolerant? .world has been very welcoming in my experience.