• UhBell
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    51 year ago

    You ever try taking your new mattress and bed frame on a train?

    • @justsomeguy
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      351 year ago

      Always hated that argument for big cars. You buy a new bed/mattress/big furniture like once a year. Delivery is maybe 50 bucks. The extra cost of a car big enough to transport that stuff is in the thousands. Somehow everyone gets upset when confronted with delivery fees while being perfectly fine with dishing out cash for a car. Redo the fucking math.

      • Corhen
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        141 year ago

        I have a car, and there was no chance i was gonna try and fit it in my hatch back.

        that basically means this argument boils down to “every single person needs a truck large enough for a mattress” which is bloody insane

      • @Bye
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        71 year ago

        I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification of the argument

        I use my car to transport my bike, surfboard, skis, dog, lawnmower, buy furniture, buy lumber etc for projects, and more. It just can’t be beat in terms of convenience. For repairs around the house, gardening, etc, it’s a must-have.

        A 1998 CR-V does all that and it cost me $2500. Bomb-proof b20b also, I love it. I don’t think you can beat that in terms of convenience.

        I’m all for trains and buses (electric busses would be great!) but the utility wanes when lots of people bring stuff. I used to have a 45 minute bus commute, and the bus had racks for bikes. I’d bring my bike to do the 5 mile trip to and from bus stops at both ends. But lots of people wanted to do that, and you’d have to be early in line to get your bike on the bus, otherwise you had to wait for the next one. I can’t imagine people trying to bring 2x4s or potted plants on the bus! Or their pets, another issue altogether.

        • @arbitrary
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          -11 year ago

          So you’ll buy an electric car for some 20k+ once that car breaks down to haul your frequent furniture and lumber purchases?

          Because the discussion isn’t about ‘I have a car and won’t exchange it for a train’ but ‘moving transportation onto trains instead of electric cars would be a lot more beneficial as the future of transportation’

          • @SCB
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            So I’ve worked in intermodal (port to train to truck) freight logistics. What you’re missing here is that

            1. “last mile delivery” is a substantial portion of logistics. Semi trucks generally do not take goods to anywhere but big-box stores. Box trucks do that.

            2. intermodal is great, but even if we massively expended rail in the US, trucks would be needed to haul a majority of freight. Logistics deals are negotiated on narrow margins, sometimes down to individual dollars. It is a MASSIVE industry, and intermodal is only truly competitive with certain freight coming and going from certain places.

            The Wal-Mart in Whitesburg KY is not ever going to have an intermodal station in it, but they still need food for the grocery store, parts for the hardware store, etc

            It is a massive benefit to society to pursue driverless, electrical vehicles, for the logistics industry alone.

            • @arbitrary
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              51 year ago

              I think freight logistics is another topic though. (Last mile) Deliveries will likely stay on trucks and vans, simply because it isn’t feasible to have tracks to everyone’s house. Though increased usage of trains would probably still be cheaper and more efficient here.

              My point of argument was related to personal travelling (getting to work, buying groceries, …), as the comment I replied to discussed. Those are activities we could or should probably try to move onto rails or more generally public transport rather than trying to have the same number of cars but just electrified.

              Though there might also be regional differences in feasibility. European cities tend to be much more built around public transport and walkable distances, making it much easier to adopt such measures than most of rest of the world (for various reasons).

          • @Getawombatupya
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            21 year ago

            As soon as car makers start releasing electric vehicles that aren’t concept art and actually useful, I’m first in line. Waiting for phev suv or ute to make it’s way to Oz. (The Mitsubishi only has a phev range of about40km, doesn’t cut it for even a local commute

      • UhBell
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        61 year ago

        While I understand and agree with your sentiment, there are a lot of cases where delivery simply isn’t offered. Also, I’d appreciate a less agressive tone as we are intending to have civil discussion.

        I agree that public transportation, infrastructure , and zoning laws need a massive overhaul to promote more walkable and pedestrian-friendly cities, but it’s not realistic to eliminate privately owned cars entirely. They will always exist, so it’s best to ensure these cars are as efficient as possible.

      • @[email protected]
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        -21 year ago

        Funnily Ive got downvoted for bringing the same argument against replaceable phone batteries in another thread. Like, just pay a tech once every few years to do it for you.

        • @d4f0
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          71 year ago

          How is it the same argument? A phone with a replaceable battery isn’t more expensive than one whitouth a replaceable battery.

          • @[email protected]
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            -11 year ago

            It is, slightly, but that’s not the point. The point is that even when swappable batteries were the norn, most people never did change them. And even among the ones who did, few did this more than once. So is this additional complexity even worth it? e.g. if it costs one penny to make unit with swappable battery, and it costs $1 to perform a swap without it, does it makes sense to do it for 1 in 100 customers who does?

            • @d4f0
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              21 year ago

              Thats absolutely not the same argument. And please tell me where can I change the battery of my phone for 1$?

              • @[email protected]
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                01 year ago

                Please tell me where I can get a custom mold for a penny. It was just an example.

                I dont understand how you dont see it. You can buy X because you might want to Y, but you probably never would, and even if you do, its better hand it over to professionals. You can put “truck/moving furniture” or “phone/change battery”, same argument.

                • @d4f0
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                  21 year ago

                  Not a realistic example at all.

                  I see it, it’s just not the same argument. The other argument is like this: X costs thousands while Y costs tens. Y is cheaper.

                  And it’s bullshit that moving furniture or changing a battery should be hand over to professionals. It can be a simple task.

                  Also I don’t agree that most people wouldn’t change the battery of it was easily replaceable. We’ll see in a few years when most phones would have easily replaceable battery due to the EU law.

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    • @CoffeeVector
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      141 year ago

      I don’t know if you’re making this argument for outside the US, but renting a U-haul is pretty cheap if you stay within city limits. It really only gets expensive if you’re actually moving. Occasional needs should have occasional solutions!

    • @[email protected]
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      131 year ago

      No but I’ve never owned a vehicle that could handle a mattress and frame. I assume there’d still be delivery options. If it’s not new then there are U-Haul rentals and movers still. It’s not like most people need a vehicle that size. Yes I know some do and there are always edge cases but having a vehicle that size for moving something large once every X years shouldn’t be a deterrent to mass transit.

        • @[email protected]
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          111 year ago

          I forgot 100% of the population live in houses like that.

          Yes trains would never work for anyone, anywhere.

          • UhBell
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            11 year ago

            It’s an example of somewhere that wouldn’t work with trains, I didn’t say it was 100% of the population.

            No need for the nasty attitude.

        • @IMongoose
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          31 year ago

          Imagine not having a train depot on your estate.

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      I did, on a trolley bus. Blocked an entire exit, but we timed it just right as to get on a mostly empty one and not inconvinience lot of people

    • @zeppo
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      21 year ago

      No, I would just have it delivered like a normal person would

      • UhBell
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        If you have the luxury of living somewhere that offers delivery, sure.

          • UhBell
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            -11 year ago

            Thanks for proving my point?

            • @zeppo
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              11 year ago

              I’m not sure what point you think I proved. Something that is true for the vast majority of people isn’t a “luxury”.

              • UhBell
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                11 year ago

                My entire point is it’s not realistic to get rid of privately owned vehicles, and for the 20% of people not living in those delivery areas, they are pretty much required.

                I’m not against trains or walkable cities, I’m completely for them. But the notion of getting rid of cars entirely is just delusional.

                • @zeppo
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                  11 year ago

                  I see, so you’re arguing against a strawman. I don’t see where someone suggested entirely eliminating personal or work vehicles.

                  • UhBell
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                    Are you serious? The literal post you’re commenting in is asking why everyone is talking about electric cars when trains are a thing.

                    Idk why I’m still commenting. This is such a waste of energy. Peace.