I mean, it’s not just that. it’s legal liability. part of the reason they charged him with terrorism is to tie any show of support to a crime as well. supporting him is like supporting al-qaeda now. so I ask you, DO YOU CONDEMN HUMMUS? DO YOU CONDOM MORDOR OF CEOS?
That’s not what the law in NY actually says. It’s not merely that you’re trying to change government policy through violence. It’s that you’re trying to do it through intimidating government employees. The prosecutor screwed the pooch on this one. Luigi didn’t actually meet the terrorism modifier requirements in NY. At least that’s what I got from Legal Eagle.
As a side note, legal eagle is available on nebula.tv with no ads. I think the first episode is free, and then the service is $36/year, with more of that going to who you watch.
That’s an incredibly flimsy argument. People have been writing messages on ammo since ammo existed. There’s not even an established pattern of terrorists writing on ammo - they’re more likely to claim credit for an attack after the fact and include their message there.
Those were words for him. Deny and defend this, mother fucker.
You assert my argument is flimsy, yet your argument is that someone is going to be able to read the casings popping out of a guy’s gun shooting at him from behind?
Please tell me you’re trolling so I don’t think I’m talking to someone THIS obtuse.
Do you think this writing was to make a political message in the wreckage? Do you think really I think the soldiers who wrote it expected the victims to read it on the way down?
No, you moron, it’s a message to the victim that the killer knows they’ll never read. It’s a personal touch on the ammo that empowers the shooter. A more poetic version of “a bullet with your name on it”
I’m still like 100% sure that this isn’t the same guy in the pictures taken on the crime scene, given that literally ALL THEY HAVE TO GO BY is that his form of dress was the same.
I think it’s entirely plausible that it’s the same guy, but he was tracked down through illegal means and the tip-off was faked. If so, it’s reasonable to think that some or all of the physical evidence was planted in order to have something that would be admissible. If evidence was potentially planted, though, it can’t be used as the basis for a guilty verdict, so even if Mangione did do it, there might not be enough evidence for a conviction.
You know. I’ve been having a hard time with both the official story and the that’s not the real shooter theory.
Your theory is a third one I haven’t thought of before. He is the shooter but they faked how they found him to protect their secret surveillance capabilities from being reported on. Maybe illegal maybe not, but probably tech they don’t want the public knowing about.
When you step in to correct someone, but are this obviously wrong, don’t go trying the call the other person out for it … you’re the one who’s wrong. Sit down. Be quiet.
Also, lets not forget who will be president soon… Trump and his fellows have hinted at going after fake news media before. Going after terrorism supporting fake news media is even easier.
Holy shit America is becoming united under the banner bof domestic terrorism. I wholeheartedly approve. If the ruling class isn’t pissing themselves we haven’t gone far enough yet. They should fear We the people.
It is perfectly legal to advocate for illegal activity. The first amendment has broad protections for this. SCOTUS has ruled on this even recently. You need to be able to advocate for illegal activity if you want people to have any chance to change the law.
It is perfectly legal to come right out on national television and say, “Luigi did nothing wrong. The president and governor should pardon him, and the mayor of NYC should throw him a parade.”
I mean, it’s not just that. it’s legal liability. part of the reason they charged him with terrorism is to tie any show of support to a crime as well. supporting him is like supporting al-qaeda now. so I ask you, DO YOU CONDEMN HUMMUS? DO YOU CONDOM MORDOR OF CEOS?
All it did was show a lot of people what bullshit a charge of “terrorism” is.
For the longest time, people thought “terrorism” meant “very evil,” so now that someone who isn’t evil is being labeled a terrorist, they are upset.
In reality, if you try to change politics with violence against a civilian, you are a terrorist.
“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
That’s not what the law in NY actually says. It’s not merely that you’re trying to change government policy through violence. It’s that you’re trying to do it through intimidating government employees. The prosecutor screwed the pooch on this one. Luigi didn’t actually meet the terrorism modifier requirements in NY. At least that’s what I got from Legal Eagle.
Interesting. I thought his terrorism charges were the federal ones?
Either way this will be a hell of a case.
No he got NY terrorism charges and murder charges in NY and federally and then federal gun charges iirc
As a side note, legal eagle is available on nebula.tv with no ads. I think the first episode is free, and then the service is $36/year, with more of that going to who you watch.
Yup! I’ve long been a Nebula subscriber.
Hopefully it’s hard to prove that his intent was change and not revenge
You don’t engrave a message on casings unless you’re sending a message to the living.
That’s an incredibly flimsy argument. People have been writing messages on ammo since ammo existed. There’s not even an established pattern of terrorists writing on ammo - they’re more likely to claim credit for an attack after the fact and include their message there.
Those were words for him. Deny and defend this, mother fucker.
You assert my argument is flimsy, yet your argument is that someone is going to be able to read the casings popping out of a guy’s gun shooting at him from behind?
Lol. Lmao, even.
Please tell me you’re trolling so I don’t think I’m talking to someone THIS obtuse.
Do you think this writing was to make a political message in the wreckage? Do you think really I think the soldiers who wrote it expected the victims to read it on the way down?
No, you moron, it’s a message to the victim that the killer knows they’ll never read. It’s a personal touch on the ammo that empowers the shooter. A more poetic version of “a bullet with your name on it”
Added bonus for you
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I love that you called me a moron while double commenting.
The company’s other employees are, at time of writing, still living, so sending a message to the living doesn’t mean it’s not solely revenge.
I’m still like 100% sure that this isn’t the same guy in the pictures taken on the crime scene, given that literally ALL THEY HAVE TO GO BY is that his form of dress was the same.
I think it’s entirely plausible that it’s the same guy, but he was tracked down through illegal means and the tip-off was faked. If so, it’s reasonable to think that some or all of the physical evidence was planted in order to have something that would be admissible. If evidence was potentially planted, though, it can’t be used as the basis for a guilty verdict, so even if Mangione did do it, there might not be enough evidence for a conviction.
You know. I’ve been having a hard time with both the official story and the that’s not the real shooter theory.
Your theory is a third one I haven’t thought of before. He is the shooter but they faked how they found him to protect their secret surveillance capabilities from being reported on. Maybe illegal maybe not, but probably tech they don’t want the public knowing about.
This actually sounds most plausible to me.
Yeah, this country was founded by terrorists.
I think they’d technically be classified as insurgents/rebels because they mostly/exclusively fired upon the military as far as I know.
Well, it’s time to brush up a bit before commenting, then, huh?
Do you thoroughly recheck every topic before you make a comment? Must be exhausting.
That or you’re a hypocrite. Up to you.
When you step in to correct someone, but are this obviously wrong, don’t go trying the call the other person out for it … you’re the one who’s wrong. Sit down. Be quiet.
Make me.
School shooters should be getting hit with terrorism charges
It certainly causes more terror, but mostly just with the rabble, not the ultra wealthy who actually matter.
Also, lets not forget who will be president soon… Trump and his fellows have hinted at going after fake news media before. Going after terrorism supporting fake news media is even easier.
Also GOP: “We are all domestic terrorists”
For those who have forgotten, this is an actual quote from the republican party.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
The venn diagram of Lemmy users and people who aren’t aware of that image are a circle here on earth and another circle in low orbit of Sedna.
Holy shit America is becoming united under the banner bof domestic terrorism. I wholeheartedly approve. If the ruling class isn’t pissing themselves we haven’t gone far enough yet. They should fear We the people.
It is perfectly legal to advocate for illegal activity. The first amendment has broad protections for this. SCOTUS has ruled on this even recently. You need to be able to advocate for illegal activity if you want people to have any chance to change the law.
It is perfectly legal to come right out on national television and say, “Luigi did nothing wrong. The president and governor should pardon him, and the mayor of NYC should throw him a parade.”
lol… those who remember the 2000s know that’s all out the window if the government says anything is terrorism.
The right to free speech and the right to peaceably assemble hasn’t been respected at any point during US history.
Not immediately after the country was formed when they signed the sedition act into law.
Not while people were protesting for abolitionism.
Not while people were protesting for women’s suffrage.
Not while people held demonstrations while on strike.
Not during the cold war and red scare.
Not during the civil rights movement.
Not during the George Floyd protests.
They’re not going to start now.
Like the incoming Christo Gestapo crew will give a shit about that when they start rounding up potential “wrong thinkers”
Yes, I do condom mordor of ceos
OH SO YOU SUPPORT HUMMUS THE SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES
But how do you feel about hummus?
Wait, “condom” and “mordor”??!? What the hell sub is this??!!
Didn’t Hillary Clinton stated in one of those leaked mails that AQ was with the US or something?
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Ok then, sure, make the average person a terrorist. That will be fun!