So you are saying that trump connected with Muslim votes more than Harris and Trump visited them even less? So trump had less opportunities to connect to these voters and (pretend to) listen to them. Harris couldn’t outperform trump with the quality of visits?
I agree that Harris and the DNC do have lessons to learn but I don’t think they will. They will continue to blame the voters that they won’t listen to.
Close. The lesson is voters want to be listened to. You don’t even have to do anything after that. Voters will forget by the next election.
Harris didn’t want to listen, she wanted to go there and tell voters she is better than trump. I agree with that message, but I wasn’t in the audience. Muslims were there. They weren’t listened to at all by Harris. Trump at least said “fine I’ll end the war.” That proves he was listening. Being listened to and heard is enough for most people to go along with you, at least temporarily. Which is what trump needed and worked toward.
“If you get me elected, and you should really be doing this … we’re going to set that movement [the pro-Palestine solidarity campaign] back 25 or 30 years”
He said on Oct. 11 that a future Trump administration would “fully support Israel defeating, dismantling, and permanently destroying the terrorist group Hamas,” while telling the Republican Jewish Coalition later that month that Hamas fighters “will burn forever in the eternal pit of hell." That month, his campaign also said that, if elected again, he would bar Gaza residents from entering the U.S. as part of an expanded travel ban.
Based on that, it’s clear that Trump did not win by pursuing a pro-Palestine policy. He nevertheless connected with Palestinian-American voters, and I suspect it’s for the same reason he connected with Latino voters.
This just seems like a staunch refusal to listen to anything that doesn’t reflect your tribalistic beliefs. You keep attempting to write these people off as not worthy of “our” time because you suspect they’re part of the “out group” and racists which is why they voted for Trump.
The world isn’t that simple and you’re only causing division and a loss of support with puritanical beliefs such as this and the fact that you bring up “total number of visits to Wayne County Michigan” as a metric for how well each candidate connected with Muslims in America shows that you’re on no sort of moral highground as you’re boiling down a whole diverse population of people into a simple geographical statistic. This is dehumanizing and evokes other mildly racist, out-of-touch behaviors from the campaign such as: In outreach to Black men, Harris to vow to legalize weed, protect crypto
All voters are worthy of our time. But Trump’s victory demonstrates that the American electorate, and Palestinian-Americans in particular, have moved further to the right since 2020. To the point that the staunchest supporter of Israel can win most demographics.
Democrats will have to grapple with this when formulating new policies. The only “tribalism” comes those who look at 2024 and imagine voters moved to the left.
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As for Wayne County, I was responding to “Trump interacted a lot more with Arab voters”. There is no evidence of that.
Wayne County visits are admittedly an imperfect metric of interaction, so if you have some better comparative metric then I’d love to see it.
I disagree that the electorate moved to the right in 2024. Trump got almost the same number of votes as he did in 2020 while Harris lost something like 10 million votes because she spent more time trying to court the right than caring about anyone left of “moderate” Republicans. Certain demographics may have shifted slightly but again the totals speak for themselves and it could just as easily be her pushing people away than Trump attracting them.
The DNC itself has been moving further and further right and it keeps costing them elections because the people that they’re supposed to represent are sick and tired of being ignored in favor of the powerful and wealthy, yet they refuse to do anything about it even though they can see the result of this strategy over and over again just like the rest of us.
Harris/Walz visited Wayne County 12 times. Plus another 3 visits by Biden.
Trump/Vance only visited 8 times.
So you are saying that trump connected with Muslim votes more than Harris and Trump visited them even less? So trump had less opportunities to connect to these voters and (pretend to) listen to them. Harris couldn’t outperform trump with the quality of visits?
I agree that Harris and the DNC do have lessons to learn but I don’t think they will. They will continue to blame the voters that they won’t listen to.
Exactly. Trump connected with them better despite fewer visits.
The lesson is that those voters want someone like Trump.
Close. The lesson is voters want to be listened to. You don’t even have to do anything after that. Voters will forget by the next election.
Harris didn’t want to listen, she wanted to go there and tell voters she is better than trump. I agree with that message, but I wasn’t in the audience. Muslims were there. They weren’t listened to at all by Harris. Trump at least said “fine I’ll end the war.” That proves he was listening. Being listened to and heard is enough for most people to go along with you, at least temporarily. Which is what trump needed and worked toward.
That’s not all he said.
Based on that, it’s clear that Trump did not win by pursuing a pro-Palestine policy. He nevertheless connected with Palestinian-American voters, and I suspect it’s for the same reason he connected with Latino voters.
This just seems like a staunch refusal to listen to anything that doesn’t reflect your tribalistic beliefs. You keep attempting to write these people off as not worthy of “our” time because you suspect they’re part of the “out group” and racists which is why they voted for Trump.
The world isn’t that simple and you’re only causing division and a loss of support with puritanical beliefs such as this and the fact that you bring up “total number of visits to Wayne County Michigan” as a metric for how well each candidate connected with Muslims in America shows that you’re on no sort of moral highground as you’re boiling down a whole diverse population of people into a simple geographical statistic. This is dehumanizing and evokes other mildly racist, out-of-touch behaviors from the campaign such as: In outreach to Black men, Harris to vow to legalize weed, protect crypto
All voters are worthy of our time. But Trump’s victory demonstrates that the American electorate, and Palestinian-Americans in particular, have moved further to the right since 2020. To the point that the staunchest supporter of Israel can win most demographics.
Democrats will have to grapple with this when formulating new policies. The only “tribalism” comes those who look at 2024 and imagine voters moved to the left.
EDIT:
As for Wayne County, I was responding to “Trump interacted a lot more with Arab voters”. There is no evidence of that.
Wayne County visits are admittedly an imperfect metric of interaction, so if you have some better comparative metric then I’d love to see it.
I disagree that the electorate moved to the right in 2024. Trump got almost the same number of votes as he did in 2020 while Harris lost something like 10 million votes because she spent more time trying to court the right than caring about anyone left of “moderate” Republicans. Certain demographics may have shifted slightly but again the totals speak for themselves and it could just as easily be her pushing people away than Trump attracting them.
The DNC itself has been moving further and further right and it keeps costing them elections because the people that they’re supposed to represent are sick and tired of being ignored in favor of the powerful and wealthy, yet they refuse to do anything about it even though they can see the result of this strategy over and over again just like the rest of us.
There is no evidence that this is the reason she lost voters.
But there is evidence that a significant number of Biden 2020 voters switched to Trump this year. That’s the definition of a shift to the right.