Summary

Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.

  • @UnderpantsWeevil
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    693 days ago

    I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden. I voted for Clinton.

    I still wouldn’t warn a single one of them if they were about to get hit by a bus.

    American Democracy in a nutshell. You get two choices, they’re both awful for different reasons. One of them wants to see you executed for your religious beliefs/sexual preferences/nation of origin. The other is continent to sell bunker buster bombs to some raving psychotic mass murderers overseas. Nobody is going to do shit about climate change, though, so we’re all on the clock in the long run.

    Its harm reduction.

    It increasingly feels like the closest thing to harm reduction the US achieved was the time Trump fucked up his COVID response and a bunch of his senior leadership choked to death on their own lung fluid.

    • Cruxifux
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      143 days ago

      There’s only one man who’s done any meaningful harm reduction in your country and your judicial system is charging him with terrorism.

    • @Dearth
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      193 days ago

      There was roughly 20 different elected positions on my ballot.

      The real problem with American politics is everyone is so focused on the POTUS that they ignore the politicians who have an actual measurable effect on their quality of life.

      I challenge anyone to look up your local town hall and see when the next city council meeting is. Go to it and see what they talk about and vote on. Notice the other people who go.

      Many cities have public meetings for police oversite too. They’re even less attended than city council meetings

      • Logi
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        52 days ago

        Another massive problem is the voting system which could barely be designed better for forcing a two party system on you. There is no room for someone getting 30% of the vote and of course they should then have about that much influence.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil
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        193 days ago

        I challenge anyone to look up your local town hall and see when the next city council meeting is. Go to it and see what they talk about and vote on. Notice the other people who go.

        I’ve been to a few city council meetings. When you’re there as part of an organization lobbying for a particular policy, you can at least see the terms of the debate and understand who to lobby, what the blockades are, and why a seemingly good-idea isn’t getting through. But if you’re just sitting in on meetings, its like tuning into CSPAN at a random point in the day. You’ve got no historical context. You don’t know who you’re listening to or why they’re talking. And there’s a ton of maneuvering going on behind the scenes that you can’t glimpse because you’re not really a part of it.

        Add to the problem, a lot of people aren’t really wedded to their communities. I live in a neighborhood in which people move in and out every five years or so, chasing a better job or looking for better schools or trying to find more garage space for their giant cars or cashing out on a sudden jump in their home price. Trying to get them engaged in a fight over the ten-year-plan for mass transit is basically impossible because most of them won’t be here in ten years.

        I don’t say this to discourage anyone from going. But this isn’t something you can just bootstrap your way into. You really need a community of more knowledgeable and engaged people to introduce you to what is going on and why. Otherwise, you’re just listening to a couple of people argue over the preferred way to renovate municipal drainage on the opposite side of town for an hour.

        • @[email protected]
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          123 days ago

          I gotta keep moving because my rent keeps going up. Let’s hope I find that cheaper basement

    • @[email protected]
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      173 days ago

      It increasingly feels like the closest thing to harm reduction the US achieved was the time Trump fucked up his COVID response and a bunch of his senior leadership choked to death on their own lung fluid.

      Herman Cain approves this message.

    • @Atrichum
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      103 days ago

      American Democracy in a nutshell. You get two choices, they’re both awful…

      The democratic process doesn’t start on election day.

      • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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        93 days ago

        Yeah, it starts when someone has a billion dollars and wants to influence government.

        • @DMCMNFIBFFF
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          03 days ago

          10 million Democrats x $100/each - $1 billion

          People are more powerful than they think.

          • @[email protected]
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            3 days ago

            Yes give them more money, they’re doing such great things with the money that’s already given to them.

          • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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            73 days ago

            I’m not giving another dime to the Democratic Party so it’s more like 9,999,999 Democrats.

            I wouldn’t even be in the party if we didn’t have closed primaries in my state.

            • @DMCMNFIBFFF
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              fair enough.

              1 million American leftists x $100 to Bernie Sanders or AOC in the primaries = $100 million

              and

              1 million American leftists x $100 to Green party = $100 million

              • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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                22 days ago

                I already donated a hundred bucks to Bernie.

                It didn’t work.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil
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        33 days ago

        Liberal democracy starts with the donors in a smoke-filled room and ends with one side complaining that the election was rigged.

      • @[email protected]
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        It started well into the election cycle after Biden refused to honor his one term pledge.

        No time for a primary now! Oops didn’t mean to! /$

        First Past The Post voting has got to go, or else the USA is toast. A shame the democratic party believes themselves to be more important then the country itself.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 days ago

      I generally agree with your point, but the MIC is a bad example; both parties are equally happy selling bombs to murderers.