For education specifically, here’s an APA article discussing the problem with a US context, but I have seen the same patterns across other Western education as well.
Simply put, sit-and-listen education disadvantages boys, who also tend to receive more severe punishment than girls for the same behaviours. Add on to that gender stereotypes push boys to be dominant, and doing well at school is not cool for boys.
In general, there are a lot of issues we are simply blind to regarding men. Men are treated as disposable, always potential combatants in a war, never the victim and always the perpetrator of domestic violence and violent crime in general.
There’s also a strange cultural phenomenon, that whenever a statistic is not in favour for women, it’s concluded to be a sign of systemic injustice, and corrective action must be taken. Whenever a statistic is not in favour of men, it’s concluded men are a problem.
Mmhm. The men at the top are the ones to blame when a statistic isn’t in favour of men. Like suicide rates. The men at the top are getting so many men killed.
I think the last part of your sentence is a little one-sided. It takes two to form a relationship and women can be just as non accepting of non traditional relationships as men.
That’s true, but the person perceived to be “in power” in the relationship (what was called traditionally the breadwinner) is less likely to complain about the situation. I don’t think many working people, women or otherwise, think “I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
I agree with your point still - once children are in the equation some women might shift towards the traditional view if that means they’d get to stay at home spending time with them.
think “I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
No, they think that “since I’m a higher social class, I will not date anyone without a doctorate”. Women still largely tend to seek men earning more than them due to existing or perceived pressures, it’s just that since they now earn more, everyone is a bit lonelier.
To be clear, I’m not saying that women should go back to earning less, I’m saying that people should adapt and be happier.
I don’t think anyone wants to be entirely dependent on someone else’s income, but I do think women are more likely to complain if they’re the breadwinner than men are, because of the same traditionel view. You’ll rarely hear a guy say “we’ve grown apart” if his wife works a dead end job or has a lower education.
“I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
As a fun aside: both my wife and I would both love to do this! Unfortunately it’s just too tough financially in the modern world, so it’s never a really serious discussion.
Plus we would have to flip a coin or something to decide who has to be the breadwinner.
We don’t really have a relationship that revolves around power-roles though, so it’s a bit of a different discussion.
In the EU, there’s now more women finishing higher education, and going into research programs, than men. (1)
Education in general is quite fucked up for boys, but they are not a protected group so we let them suffer.
What protections would you like to see for men?
For education specifically, here’s an APA article discussing the problem with a US context, but I have seen the same patterns across other Western education as well.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/04/boys-school-challenges-recommendations
Simply put, sit-and-listen education disadvantages boys, who also tend to receive more severe punishment than girls for the same behaviours. Add on to that gender stereotypes push boys to be dominant, and doing well at school is not cool for boys.
In general, there are a lot of issues we are simply blind to regarding men. Men are treated as disposable, always potential combatants in a war, never the victim and always the perpetrator of domestic violence and violent crime in general.
I like this. But while the study is sex specific, fixing this would benefit boys and girls.
Humans weren’t meant to sit in a chair and be talked at.
Well damn. If it helps both I don’t wanna do it anymore.
But the structural inequalities and sexism???
Don’t worry, men will go in the corporate world and make more money than women professors.
Yeah, most men won’t. Only the soulless assholes will.
😢 Soul-having (what’s the opposite of soulless?) people will just be forced to work in the corporate world without making more money…
Thank god!
It’s sadly creating a class of alienated working class men because the working class men don’t want to accept non-traditional relationship roles.
There’s also a strange cultural phenomenon, that whenever a statistic is not in favour for women, it’s concluded to be a sign of systemic injustice, and corrective action must be taken. Whenever a statistic is not in favour of men, it’s concluded men are a problem.
Maybe that’s because the patriarchy favours men.
Go read The Will to Change, then come back and tell me that the majority of men are having a grand time.
You’re picturing the men at the top, which are few. The majority suffer.
Here in the UK (and I imagine it’s similar across the rest of Europe), the most disadvantaged group in education are white, working class boys.
But this doesn’t fit the “privilege” narrative so no one gives a shit.
Nothing logical fits your terf agenda but you push it anyway
Edit: go back in their history far enough, you’ll find it
…eh? Who mentioned trans?
It’s a fact that white, working class boys are being left behind by the system: https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-committee/news/156024/forgotten-white-workingclass-pupils-let-down-by-decades-of-neglect-mps-say/
There’s no agenda here.
I tagged you long ago
Mmhm. The men at the top are the ones to blame when a statistic isn’t in favour of men. Like suicide rates. The men at the top are getting so many men killed.
Maybe them being men is not their defining feature. And they simply love you blaming all men instead of them specifically.
Drag didn’t say all men. It seems like you added that part.
Okay, but you still refer to them as “men”, instead of focusing on any other feature, thus placing the blame on “men”.
I think the last part of your sentence is a little one-sided. It takes two to form a relationship and women can be just as non accepting of non traditional relationships as men.
I guess that’s fair
That’s true, but the person perceived to be “in power” in the relationship (what was called traditionally the breadwinner) is less likely to complain about the situation. I don’t think many working people, women or otherwise, think “I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
I agree with your point still - once children are in the equation some women might shift towards the traditional view if that means they’d get to stay at home spending time with them.
No, they think that “since I’m a higher social class, I will not date anyone without a doctorate”. Women still largely tend to seek men earning more than them due to existing or perceived pressures, it’s just that since they now earn more, everyone is a bit lonelier.
To be clear, I’m not saying that women should go back to earning less, I’m saying that people should adapt and be happier.
I don’t think anyone wants to be entirely dependent on someone else’s income, but I do think women are more likely to complain if they’re the breadwinner than men are, because of the same traditionel view. You’ll rarely hear a guy say “we’ve grown apart” if his wife works a dead end job or has a lower education.
As a fun aside: both my wife and I would both love to do this! Unfortunately it’s just too tough financially in the modern world, so it’s never a really serious discussion.
Plus we would have to flip a coin or something to decide who has to be the breadwinner.
We don’t really have a relationship that revolves around power-roles though, so it’s a bit of a different discussion.
Yes, women can also suffer from toxic masculinity.