If they need bulletproof armor just to attend school then it is too dangerous to send them there. This is not a solution to anything.
If you got a boring office job and on the first day you were issued a bulletproof vest because they keep having “incidents”, would you keep working there?
Well, honestly I was happy with my bullet proof vest when I was in the military for 15 years. I think pigs would think the same. But I agree with you, I just think there are some exceptions lol
To be completely honest, I wasn’t issued a vest. I was in the navy and had to share a vest with 3 others. I used it when I was photographing outside during anti Piracy actions.
Just the idea the risk of dying from a bullet is higher at school than it is in the military is crazy. The US truly is a dystopian hell hole (but Musk and Trump are shouting “No! Not enough! We can make it even worse!”, with most Americans shouting in reply “Yeah! 'Murica! Thur turker jubs!”).
They don’t need it, it’s all just security theater like the TSA. 99.99999% of children in the USA are not harmed by firearms each year. In fact, most “school shootings” counted in the Alarming Statistics are not mass shootings but any incident involving a gun in a certain radius of a school.
The odds of any specific child being killed in a school shooting is very low, but the incidence of shootings is still far higher in the US than any other country, and that’s a big problem.
Good point. It’s not as if there is ‘No way to prevent this,’ Says only nation where this regularly happens.
Children are being shot and there is a much higher chance of these kids needing this plate than literally anywhere else that isn’t an active warzone. That statistic alone should say enough. This IS a problem and we should not downplay that fact.
We can start by acknowledging that you are already pushing the line to minimize the issue by trying to make it about physical harm only, not psychological harm of being in an related incident.
Most recent data is from 2022, and indicates there are 49.6 million school aged children in the US. The closest we have to official numbers around children involved in gun violence in school shootings since 1999 starting with Columbine comes from the Washington Post (because, for some reason, the US government doesn’t track this). It says that 338,000 children have been involved over this time period.
That comes out to 0.7% of all school aged children have been involved in a school shooting in the US. Your 'bullshit, pulled from your ass, percentage above is 4 magnitudes off of reality. That is the same as you finding a ten dollar bill and loudly yelling “I JUST FOUND $100,000!”.
Do better and suck less. This is just around your claims as well, that is setting aside the monstrous view point that any percentage of kids would be acceptable to be involved in school shootings.
As much as I agree with you trying to find statistics, your numbers are flawed. You’re comparing a single year’s current school aged children to a 24 year data set.
If a child makes it from K to G12, that is 13 years of school. Checking a quick chart showing the number of enrollment in schools from in the 80’s and 90’s, enrollment was lower. Once it hit 2005, it is between 49m-51m. If we cut the percentage in half to and round down to 0.3%, my statement of the 4x magnitude still stands.
Thank you for considering, checking and bring up that misrepresentation in my previous number.
Your terribly cherry picked facts of taking only the deaths against the population (or so I assume, you have shown no work) are still dishonest to the issue. Napkin math shows that at least about 0.5% of US schools have had a school shooting in 2024 (546 incidents with 115,171 schools). “My facts are from the Brady Institute and are 100% correct.” is just simply incorrect as there are more victims of school shootings than the 414 deaths (the lowest it has been in 5 years, so not even an average)
Oh, and referencing the Brady Institute. I assume you mean this one? https://brady-2-stage.s3.amazonaws.com/AR-24-v13.pdf
The one fighting gun violence in schools with the exact opposite morale standing and talking points you mentioned?
You are likely the same kind of person who is saying “wHy diD wE mAke aLl thEm ozOnE lAws, iT’s fiNE nOW! wHaT a waSTe”.
Final point, I know I would never be able to change your mind / view point. The only hope is that others who read this back and forth also come to the realization that your numbers and position is full of crap.
879 children died in the US during school shootings in the past 10 years. Source
That is higher than the number of Military casualties from the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Poland combined during the war in Afghanistan (2001-2021). Except for the US, these are the countries with the most casualties during that 20 year war. Source
The risk of dying should be higher for soldiers during a war than for students at a school.
TL;DR: “There’s nothing we can do, says only nation where this happens.”
The prevalence of armed attacks at American educational institutions points to a potentially systemic problem; between 2009 and 2018, the United States recorded 57 times as many school shootings compared to other high-income nations and as of 2019, became the only major industrialized country in which firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens.
In recent years, school shootings surpassed their highest recorded levels, although figures may differ depending upon the source. Since there is no federal database – or definition – for school shootings, data is compiled by independent sources using varying factors to determine what constitutes a school shooting. According to the K-12 School Shooting Database, there were 348 school shootings, defined as every time a gun is brandished, fired, or a bullet hits school property, regardless of the time, day, reason, or number of victims (including zero), in 2023. Since 1966, school shootings transpired most often at the time of morning classes, a time which also accounted for the most casualties. However, not all incidents were located in the classroom; the highest victim count was recorded by shootings taking place in school parking lots, followed by hallways and at the front of schools.
All the money poured into crap like metal detectors and armed guards is security theater, but it’s a very real problem with a simple solution: keeping guns out of the hands of kids. Especially white boys. Kids in the US are as likely to be shot and killed as kids in active war zones.
Despite public support for hiring armed guards to reduce the severity of school shootings, there is little evidence of this effect; out of all school shooting incidents identified by the K-12 School Shooting Database, only around two percent resulted in the shooter being apprehended by an SRO.
While it is impossible to predict the profile of a future school shooter, long term studies show that shooter demographics differ by school type. Research on mass public shootings, where four or more people are murdered by firearms in public, reveals that most mass shooters at K-12 schools between 1966 and January 2024 were White, while less than 20 percent were Native American or Latinx. In comparison, almost half of mass shooters at colleges or universities were Asian, followed by 33 percent who were White and 11 percent who were either Black or Middle Eastern. However, there was an equally high likelihood that mass shooters at K-12 schools and on college campuses were ‘location insiders’, meaning they had an existing relationship to the shooting site. Typically, students are the most likely perpetrators of school shootings.
According to the National Center for Education Statistics, almost all active shooters in education settings from 2000 to 2022 were male. However, while most active shooters at postsecondary schools were at least 25 years old, active shooters at elementary schools and secondary schools were usually between the ages of 12 to 18 years, suggesting that most K-12 shooters obtained a firearm illegally. The use of rifles and shotguns was also more prevalent in active shooter incidents in K-12 schools, weapons often used to commit indiscriminate shootings, where the shooter targets random victims with the intent to harm as many as possible.
Studies show that indiscriminate shootings occur more frequently in majority-White schools, while shootings at schools which primarily serve students of color are most often dispute or grievance related, such as an escalation of an argument or in retaliation against bullying. However, even though most dispute or grievance related shootings occur outside the school building, teachers in high-minority schools are more likely to report metal detectors or other screening at school entrances. In contrast, majority-White schools rarely reported such equipment, despite having a greater likelihood of experiencing a shooting inside the school.
If they need bulletproof armor just to attend school then it is too dangerous to send them there. This is not a solution to anything.
If you got a boring office job and on the first day you were issued a bulletproof vest because they keep having “incidents”, would you keep working there?
Well, honestly I was happy with my bullet proof vest when I was in the military for 15 years. I think pigs would think the same. But I agree with you, I just think there are some exceptions lol
To be completely honest, I wasn’t issued a vest. I was in the navy and had to share a vest with 3 others. I used it when I was photographing outside during anti Piracy actions. Just the idea the risk of dying from a bullet is higher at school than it is in the military is crazy. The US truly is a dystopian hell hole (but Musk and Trump are shouting “No! Not enough! We can make it even worse!”, with most Americans shouting in reply “Yeah! 'Murica! Thur turker jubs!”).
Just one little nit to pick. If you need a bulletproof vest, the job can’t be that boring.
They don’t need it, it’s all just security theater like the TSA. 99.99999% of children in the USA are not harmed by firearms each year. In fact, most “school shootings” counted in the Alarming Statistics are not mass shootings but any incident involving a gun in a certain radius of a school.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
I wouldn’t mind getting a free armor plate though, those were probably expensive.
The odds of any specific child being killed in a school shooting is very low, but the incidence of shootings is still far higher in the US than any other country, and that’s a big problem.
“Orders of magnitude” exists, and is applicable here
Orders
Cool story bro
Good point. It’s not as if there is ‘No way to prevent this,’ Says only nation where this regularly happens.
Children are being shot and there is a much higher chance of these kids needing this plate than literally anywhere else that isn’t an active warzone. That statistic alone should say enough. This IS a problem and we should not downplay that fact.
We can start by acknowledging that you are already pushing the line to minimize the issue by trying to make it about physical harm only, not psychological harm of being in an related incident.
Most recent data is from 2022, and indicates there are 49.6 million school aged children in the US. The closest we have to official numbers around children involved in gun violence in school shootings since 1999 starting with Columbine comes from the Washington Post (because, for some reason, the US government doesn’t track this). It says that 338,000 children have been involved over this time period.
That comes out to 0.7% of all school aged children have been involved in a school shooting in the US. Your 'bullshit, pulled from your ass, percentage above is 4 magnitudes off of reality. That is the same as you finding a ten dollar bill and loudly yelling “I JUST FOUND $100,000!”.
Do better and suck less. This is just around your claims as well, that is setting aside the monstrous view point that any percentage of kids would be acceptable to be involved in school shootings.
As much as I agree with you trying to find statistics, your numbers are flawed. You’re comparing a single year’s current school aged children to a 24 year data set.
You are correct, that was a flaw in my process.
If a child makes it from K to G12, that is 13 years of school. Checking a quick chart showing the number of enrollment in schools from in the 80’s and 90’s, enrollment was lower. Once it hit 2005, it is between 49m-51m. If we cut the percentage in half to and round down to 0.3%, my statement of the 4x magnitude still stands.
Thank you for considering, checking and bring up that misrepresentation in my previous number.
I’m not worried about it or what you think about me. My facts are from the Brady Institute and are 100% correct.
“my facts are 100% correct. No I will not provide a source link or answer any questions.”
-A person who thinks you should listen to them for some reason.
100% pulled out of your ass.
Your terribly cherry picked facts of taking only the deaths against the population (or so I assume, you have shown no work) are still dishonest to the issue. Napkin math shows that at least about 0.5% of US schools have had a school shooting in 2024 (546 incidents with 115,171 schools). “My facts are from the Brady Institute and are 100% correct.” is just simply incorrect as there are more victims of school shootings than the 414 deaths (the lowest it has been in 5 years, so not even an average)
Oh, and referencing the Brady Institute. I assume you mean this one?
https://brady-2-stage.s3.amazonaws.com/AR-24-v13.pdf
The one fighting gun violence in schools with the exact opposite morale standing and talking points you mentioned?
You are likely the same kind of person who is saying “wHy diD wE mAke aLl thEm ozOnE lAws, iT’s fiNE nOW! wHaT a waSTe”.
Additional article for you as well, in general gun related deaths are the leading cause of death for children and teens. I guess that is inconsequential as well. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens
Final point, I know I would never be able to change your mind / view point. The only hope is that others who read this back and forth also come to the realization that your numbers and position is full of crap.
879 children died in the US during school shootings in the past 10 years. Source
That is higher than the number of Military casualties from the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Poland combined during the war in Afghanistan (2001-2021). Except for the US, these are the countries with the most casualties during that 20 year war. Source
The risk of dying should be higher for soldiers during a war than for students at a school.
TL;DR: “There’s nothing we can do, says only nation where this happens.”
https://www.statista.com/topics/12276/school-shootings-in-the-united-states/#topicOverview
All the money poured into crap like metal detectors and armed guards is security theater, but it’s a very real problem with a simple solution: keeping guns out of the hands of kids. Especially white boys. Kids in the US are as likely to be shot and killed as kids in active war zones.
Steel plates that don’t even fit in a rig? No thanks, I’ll make my own ceramic ones.
Nice 6 year old article.