• @cm0002
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    144 days ago

    what exactly does MacOS Own exactly?

    It certainly isn’t the enterprise space, ALL their business features and integrations are half-assed at best and downright painful to use at worst (ESPECIALLY iOS device management, fuck what a shit show that is)

    I came up with the phrase “Windows is an enterprise OS with consumer features, MacOS is a consumer OS with (half-assed) enterprise features” to describe it perfectly.

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      Have you used windows lately? I swear it’s become half-assed as an OS. Might still have the enterprise management features, but it’s incredibly painful in a mixed enterprise environment that is not standardized office boxes. (e.g. science equipment). I avoid it like the plague if at all possible due to it’s now quirky nature.

      I’m dating myself, but at least NT didn’t crash all the damn time when you access a share on a NetApp or install a new version of the evil Java… Etc.

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        104 days ago

        As an enterprise admin, I concur.

        Windows seems to be turning into some kind of weird botnet that exists only to waste wattage and bandwidth on updating itself and looking for security risks. I have weirdly fond memories of NT… but I don’t miss updating JRE on 1k+ machines though…

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          44 days ago

          Application virtualization, folks.

          Chuck your JRE in an environment with the content that needs it and be done.

          Yes, im crying they’re killing off app-v…

      • @cm0002
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        54 days ago

        Yes, our environment is 50/50 MacOS/windows atm

        I do agree that windows is getting shittier by the day and it’s bleeding into the enterprise side of things. But, it’s nowhere near as bad as MacOS is in an enterprise environment. At least Windows meets you (an enterprise/org, def not as a consumer) half way and has a high bar to fall from. Apple’s offerings…were never good, always felt forced and an after thought. The “Apple Magic” only applies to regular consumers ig lol

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      And then those “enterprise features” get borked on the next major macOS release.

      Oh you wanted to ensure your remote assist tool could be granted the proper permissions to work? Well screw you! We took away the ability to grant Screen Recording permissions through a MDM profile. Suck it!

      In case you didn’t know the Screen Recording permission is needed to be able to view the display/screen in applications like Zoom when screen sharing or for remote assist through Screen connect.

      Apple’s “reason” was essentially “… Think of the users! It’s for their security”.

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        damn that sucks, but on the other hand, Management then also cant smuggle in screen capturing software to snoop on their devs/users.

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          34 days ago

          As a Sysadmin I would be immediately looking for a new job if management wanted to snoop on employees machines via a screen recording/capturing software. I wouldn’t want it done to me and I sure as hell wouldn’t feel right deploying such spyware!

          Not to mention it immediately errodes the fragile trust between IT and the rest of the company and troubleshooting or implementing changes becomes that much harder.

          What I tell EVERY person, not just coworkers, is DO NOT TREAT THIS AS A PEROSNAL DEVICE. Keep your personal stuff off the work machine.

          It’s not even because of snooping by the company. What if the company performs a remote wipe after an unexpected termination? If that device is the only place you kept important documents… Well, you are up shit creek without a paddle.

          Now, the type of remote assist tools we have make it very clear to the other person we are connected and can see their screen(s) - connection notifications, persistent banners and disconnect notifications. Every team I’ve worked on makes it protocol to ASK the employee if we can remote in.

          It might seem like a formality but honestly if someone hasn’t heeded our advice and is logged into their banks site I don’t want to see it! It’s very much a CYA policy for IT, but it also shows respect for other employees privacy.

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          I’m pretty sure that could be negated by having a dot appear somewhere in the corner if the screen is currently being recorded. That would prevent silent snooping at least.

          That’s at least what my phones does for certain sensitive permissions, like camera or microphone.

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        Yep, we have about 30% macOS clients. It’s clear from Apple decisions that they favor the user as being an individual rather than an organization. The amount of third-party junk stapled onto the OS to enable a semblance of management is very un-Apple-esque.

        Organizations can absolutely be the user or consumer of a product. In my Windows 11 Home edition, I definitely feel who they see as the user, and it isn’t me.