Boy, do i have to Break a Leg to you - what do you think Putin is doing with Trump?
Even through Israel-USA relationship is deep, do not underestimate, how deep Putin is utilizing his pet dog Trump (i do not want to make this more graphic than necessary).
…What is he doing? Like, seriously, what specifically? For all the hysteria both then and now, I can, off the top of my head, remember a few openly and directly pro-Israel moves from Trump’s last term, but not much on Russia.
Sure, here is a quick summary of what he did do in the First term:
Excused Putins Killing of Journalist and political oponents
Organized a “Ukraine-Russia Peace plan”, thereby easing sanctions on russia (without failibg to achieve auch a Thing as Peace)
organized a plan for russia-US collaboration in the Syriian civil war, thereby allowing Putins Allied to stay in Power and cementing their Power within the Region (instead of - you-know - keeping Out of internal conflicts of foreign stades and preventing other foreign Powers such as russia from influecing such conflicts)
Met with Putin on a regular Basis (i.e. in the Helsinky summit) without letting any Details of those private discussions surface, which is unheard of (usually the talking Points of Meetings with other states are releases Afterwards)
Withdrew from the 1989 nuclear forces treaty with russia (because China wasnt part of it), allowing russia to quell transparancy requirements on their nuclear Missile Depots
Instructed government agencies on their regulatory Basis for overseeing the venezuelan presidential crisis , denying russian interference, dispite His government agencies saying otherwise
Advocated for russias Reinstatement to G7 membership on a international Stage
Basic TLDR; his presidential term on terms of foreign policies saw a Retreat of the US from international policies and democratic oversight, thereby allowing russia to Take a bigger Part on influecing the international Stage and foreign states in authoritarean ways
I swear to fucking god, there is no purgatory that will atone Fukuyama for that fucking article.
“Met with Putin”? Really? “Excused killing of journalists”? You sure they weren’t Hamas? Hell, you list the nuclear forces treaty, even when you, yourself, recognize it was because of China, not Russia. Is that what qualifies you as Putin’s “pet dog”? Tangentially kinda sorta benefiting Russia while trying to spite China? If retreating from the stage is “allowing russia to Take a bigger Part”, then surely it’s also allowing China “to Take a bigger Part”. Is he China’s pet dog too? If Europe finally gets off it’s ass and starts doing shit, will it retroactively make him EU’s pet dog?
Not going out of your way to antagonize a foreign nation does not make you a sleeper agent. It’s actually remarkable that the ambient level of hatred for Russia is so high that any interaction that’s not immediately and deliberately hostile is met with vaguely homophobic jeering. The one point you list that is actually, genuinely, directly for Russia’s benefit is the G7 membership, and even then I’m not entirely convinced he didn’t do it to troll Rachel Maddow.
Explain to me then how abolishing a Treaty solely between Russia and US that was forged in 1989, when China as a nuclear Power wasnt such a Thing, has had any positive effect in regards to the US Relation to China or the Rest of the World. He Said, it was BC of China, thats clearly just an excuse. france and UK already were nuclear Powers in 1989, but were not part of this Treaty, why do you think that was?
If you want to forge a new Treaty with another country (i.e. China), you forge it with them bilaterally between China and US, not by abolishing existing Treaties. No one would Stop you from having multiple Treaties, honestly. Aside from the fact that those already exist.
If you can not See that this was purely to the benefit of Russia and Putin, then to what purpose was it?
Its not about going Out of your way to antagonize a foreign Nation, that was already Made 70 years ago with the Cold War. But reducing those Treaties and being apologetic about foreign nations treating of free speech and freedom in General with No positive Effect to your own Country or the international Stage at large does Not make you Look strong or in any way interested in your own countries welfare, it makes you Look weak and in that countries Pocket.
Whether He IS in Chinas Pocket or Not, you can decide for yourself, following the Link given by me on His foreign policies.
Europe will defend their interests, as we have always done (you can see on my instance, that i am Not a US Citizen, do you?). Before Trump, we we’re of the opinion that our and your interests align as the Western Democratic World, making positive Change for all of us. This Changes more and more with what a fuck-show of an Impression Trumps US has given us.
With what His current ramblings are, Thinking, that you can Change Goalposts in a partnership singlehandedly (i.e. NATOs, Not the United States, requirements for 3% GDP Military spending to 5%), Shows clearly, that He does Not consider the Rest of the Democratic World AS Partners, but adversaries.
Honestly, whatever you wrote, did Not once answer my requests for explaining to me your Points? I answered your questions in regards to Finance and spending, you are Just ignoring those Things. Not being able to talking Things Out with me makes me think you are a Troll, not a Person interested in Civil discourse and discussion.
That’s the thing - It doesn’t benefit anyone. Canceling it doesn’t benefit the US, because it lets Russia off the hook, It doesn’t benefit Russia either, because it lets the US off the hook. And it doesn’t even benefit China, because it lets both the US and Russia off the hook. The whole point of having the agreement is that it limits both sides, and both sides want it, that’s why they sign it in the first place. If Putin wanted out of the deal that badly, he could have just canceled it the same way Trump did (or, yknow, just kept breaking it like he already did). It literally doesn’t benefit anyone. If Trump were the kind of person that knows what the word “bilaterally” means, he could have handled it differently, like everyone - including Russia - wanted him to. But since he doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who does, I have exactly zero problem imagining him concluding “Well, if they won’t then I won’t either!” and wrecking everything like the bull in a china shop that he is. He doesn’t consider the rest of the world as partners, he doesn’t consider anyone a partner, he seems to think in terms of zero-sum and tit-for-tat. Even his “I’m leaving NATO” left more of the impression of an extortionist shaking the EU down for cash. It wouldn’t surprise me he only likes Putin because he can use him to threaten Europe.
I asked what, if anything, did Trump do to warrant being called Putin’s pet dog, when from the outside he seems to favour Israel much more openly. Your examples are either inconsequential or entirely off base. It’s like blaming Russia for crashing your car because you were too distracted by thinking about how much you hate Russia to drive. If the president of a country were truly that compromised, you would expect him to, IDK, declare Crimea Russian, or ship them an F-35, or give them Alaska back or something. Not spend four years on chickenshit crap line “refraining from criticism”.
At what Point in time did I say any Thing about Trumps relationship to Israel? Being favorfull to Russia and other states IS possibke, its mit mutually exclusive.
Putins Russia could Not have opted Out this easily from the Treaty, because that would have Made hin Look evil in the international Stage. Including towards China. This would have severely impacted His ability to secure funding, munitions and Ressources from other states, which He needed, AS WE now know for a 3-day Invasion of Ukraine.
Just for an example for this, See Irans nuclear Programm which resulted in them being almost completely cut Off from the international Stage.
So yes, Trump did do Putin a favor, shifting the blame from existing the Treaty to a manical narcisist and President of the US.
You didn’t mention Israel, I did. That was the start of this conversation, the comparison between his supposed treatment of Russia and his actual treatment of Israel.
You know what, forget it. I’m on post four in the conversation, and I’m already on the second recap. This is a waste of time.
Please explain to me how his Ukraine-Russia Peace plan had any financial effect ion the US finances? Because there was None.
Or withdrawing from the nuclear forces Treaty
Or the russia-syria collaboration. In that regard, it cost the US more Money, because they increased their presence in that Region.
If you Check the article i linked, it is already stated in the begining “Upon taking office, Trump relied more on military personnel than any previous administration” - what do you think, how that Military Personal in foreign affairs is getting paid?
And it is a fact, that his government was one with the biggest deficits on governmentla spending in decades.
Should have gone with Israel, that way they get to be the ones telling the US what to do.
Boy, do i have to Break a Leg to you - what do you think Putin is doing with Trump? Even through Israel-USA relationship is deep, do not underestimate, how deep Putin is utilizing his pet dog Trump (i do not want to make this more graphic than necessary).
…What is he doing? Like, seriously, what specifically? For all the hysteria both then and now, I can, off the top of my head, remember a few openly and directly pro-Israel moves from Trump’s last term, but not much on Russia.
Sure, here is a quick summary of what he did do in the First term:
I could go on , as those are the Points to His presidential term until the begining of 2019, leaving one year of His presidency Out. But you too can ready them yourself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_first_Donald_Trump_administration
Basic TLDR; his presidential term on terms of foreign policies saw a Retreat of the US from international policies and democratic oversight, thereby allowing russia to Take a bigger Part on influecing the international Stage and foreign states in authoritarean ways
I swear to fucking god, there is no purgatory that will atone Fukuyama for that fucking article.
“Met with Putin”? Really? “Excused killing of journalists”? You sure they weren’t Hamas? Hell, you list the nuclear forces treaty, even when you, yourself, recognize it was because of China, not Russia. Is that what qualifies you as Putin’s “pet dog”? Tangentially kinda sorta benefiting Russia while trying to spite China? If retreating from the stage is “allowing russia to Take a bigger Part”, then surely it’s also allowing China “to Take a bigger Part”. Is he China’s pet dog too? If Europe finally gets off it’s ass and starts doing shit, will it retroactively make him EU’s pet dog?
Not going out of your way to antagonize a foreign nation does not make you a sleeper agent. It’s actually remarkable that the ambient level of hatred for Russia is so high that any interaction that’s not immediately and deliberately hostile is met with vaguely homophobic jeering. The one point you list that is actually, genuinely, directly for Russia’s benefit is the G7 membership, and even then I’m not entirely convinced he didn’t do it to troll Rachel Maddow.
Explain to me then how abolishing a Treaty solely between Russia and US that was forged in 1989, when China as a nuclear Power wasnt such a Thing, has had any positive effect in regards to the US Relation to China or the Rest of the World. He Said, it was BC of China, thats clearly just an excuse. france and UK already were nuclear Powers in 1989, but were not part of this Treaty, why do you think that was? If you want to forge a new Treaty with another country (i.e. China), you forge it with them bilaterally between China and US, not by abolishing existing Treaties. No one would Stop you from having multiple Treaties, honestly. Aside from the fact that those already exist.
If you can not See that this was purely to the benefit of Russia and Putin, then to what purpose was it?
Its not about going Out of your way to antagonize a foreign Nation, that was already Made 70 years ago with the Cold War. But reducing those Treaties and being apologetic about foreign nations treating of free speech and freedom in General with No positive Effect to your own Country or the international Stage at large does Not make you Look strong or in any way interested in your own countries welfare, it makes you Look weak and in that countries Pocket. Whether He IS in Chinas Pocket or Not, you can decide for yourself, following the Link given by me on His foreign policies.
Europe will defend their interests, as we have always done (you can see on my instance, that i am Not a US Citizen, do you?). Before Trump, we we’re of the opinion that our and your interests align as the Western Democratic World, making positive Change for all of us. This Changes more and more with what a fuck-show of an Impression Trumps US has given us. With what His current ramblings are, Thinking, that you can Change Goalposts in a partnership singlehandedly (i.e. NATOs, Not the United States, requirements for 3% GDP Military spending to 5%), Shows clearly, that He does Not consider the Rest of the Democratic World AS Partners, but adversaries.
Honestly, whatever you wrote, did Not once answer my requests for explaining to me your Points? I answered your questions in regards to Finance and spending, you are Just ignoring those Things. Not being able to talking Things Out with me makes me think you are a Troll, not a Person interested in Civil discourse and discussion.
That’s the thing - It doesn’t benefit anyone. Canceling it doesn’t benefit the US, because it lets Russia off the hook, It doesn’t benefit Russia either, because it lets the US off the hook. And it doesn’t even benefit China, because it lets both the US and Russia off the hook. The whole point of having the agreement is that it limits both sides, and both sides want it, that’s why they sign it in the first place. If Putin wanted out of the deal that badly, he could have just canceled it the same way Trump did (or, yknow, just kept breaking it like he already did). It literally doesn’t benefit anyone. If Trump were the kind of person that knows what the word “bilaterally” means, he could have handled it differently, like everyone - including Russia - wanted him to. But since he doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who does, I have exactly zero problem imagining him concluding “Well, if they won’t then I won’t either!” and wrecking everything like the bull in a china shop that he is. He doesn’t consider the rest of the world as partners, he doesn’t consider anyone a partner, he seems to think in terms of zero-sum and tit-for-tat. Even his “I’m leaving NATO” left more of the impression of an extortionist shaking the EU down for cash. It wouldn’t surprise me he only likes Putin because he can use him to threaten Europe.
I asked what, if anything, did Trump do to warrant being called Putin’s pet dog, when from the outside he seems to favour Israel much more openly. Your examples are either inconsequential or entirely off base. It’s like blaming Russia for crashing your car because you were too distracted by thinking about how much you hate Russia to drive. If the president of a country were truly that compromised, you would expect him to, IDK, declare Crimea Russian, or ship them an F-35, or give them Alaska back or something. Not spend four years on chickenshit crap line “refraining from criticism”.
At what Point in time did I say any Thing about Trumps relationship to Israel? Being favorfull to Russia and other states IS possibke, its mit mutually exclusive. Putins Russia could Not have opted Out this easily from the Treaty, because that would have Made hin Look evil in the international Stage. Including towards China. This would have severely impacted His ability to secure funding, munitions and Ressources from other states, which He needed, AS WE now know for a 3-day Invasion of Ukraine. Just for an example for this, See Irans nuclear Programm which resulted in them being almost completely cut Off from the international Stage. So yes, Trump did do Putin a favor, shifting the blame from existing the Treaty to a manical narcisist and President of the US.
You didn’t mention Israel, I did. That was the start of this conversation, the comparison between his supposed treatment of Russia and his actual treatment of Israel.
You know what, forget it. I’m on post four in the conversation, and I’m already on the second recap. This is a waste of time.
This is pure nonsense
What Putin does to Russian journalists in Russia is nothing to do with anyone else, no matter how barbaric.
All the rest was part of his America first plan to spend less globally.
It’s not some hair brain conspiracy
Please explain to me how his Ukraine-Russia Peace plan had any financial effect ion the US finances? Because there was None.
Or withdrawing from the nuclear forces Treaty Or the russia-syria collaboration. In that regard, it cost the US more Money, because they increased their presence in that Region.
If you Check the article i linked, it is already stated in the begining “Upon taking office, Trump relied more on military personnel than any previous administration” - what do you think, how that Military Personal in foreign affairs is getting paid?
And it is a fact, that his government was one with the biggest deficits on governmentla spending in decades.