Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from [email protected] for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don’t want to insult anyone here being a ‘bastard’. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they’re unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

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  • @[email protected]
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    12 days ago

    Hope the late reply is fine, I had a trip that wiped me out.

    1. yes, the mod is being protective of the community. To you it is a slightly different opinion, to someone who follows a vegan lifestyle, it is not really vegan. Like at all. Vegans want to eliminate meat altogether. So if you eliminate meat by having a vegan restaurant, but then bring meat in, it is not vegan anymore. Idk what I would have done as a mod. Wanting meat at a restaurant is not vegan even if you are just trying to attract more customers so you do not close down. It might make more sense if you replace the word “meat” with “abuse, rape, and murder.” Would you accept a little murder, even killing children to stay in business? I get it is hard to get a non-vegan to try vegan food, I’ve written before about how my SO basically refuses to try vegan food even if it is my birthday. My SO also likes to bring up how stupid and extreme my veganism is to them, way too often. I now understand why vegans prefer dating other vegans.

    2. carnists is a real term. It is:

    “A proponent of carnism; one who supports the practice of eating meat and using other animal products.”

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/carnist

    It is the opposite of veganism. They are essentially anti-vegan. They like to go in vegan areas and debate with everyone to try to justify their consumption of meat. It makes them feel good to troll us.

    And yes there are people who try to eat nothing but meat, it is called a carnivore diet. I have a family member who is on the diet, they pretty much only want to eat steak. There is a new community on lemmy about it, I blocked it obviously. The mod of said community was whining about their stuff getting downvoted in their community on a different lemmy community. Judging by the amount of people (including admins) who hate vegans on lemmy.world, I thought their community would be very successful.

    I get the whole “live and let live” thing about a difference in opinion on who the best character on a show you are watching is. But when it involves actual lives, I think it’s time to speak up. Vegans are annoying because they want people to stop killing animals for consumption and people would rather vegans just shut up and go away so they can enjoy their meat without thinking about where it came from, that’s it. Talk about veganism outside of a vegan community and be prepared to get ratioed.

    • NSRXN
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      11 day ago

      They are essentially anti-vegan.

      that is not what carnist means

      • @[email protected]
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        A carnist is the opposite to a vegan, the opposing side. If you support the use and consumption of animal products, you are a carnist. If you are vegan, I am interested in how you define carnism. If you are not vegan, I am not interested in how you define it.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism

        Central to the ideology is the acceptance of meat-eating as “natural”, “normal”, “necessary”, and (sometimes) “nice”, known as the “Four Ns”… The arguments were that humans are omnivores (natural), that most people eat meat (normal), that vegetarian diets are lacking in nutrients (necessary), and that meat tastes good (nice).

        EDIT: this person is not a vegan and is actually a carnist wasting people’s time

        • NSRXN
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          01 day ago

          it’s not antivegan, and no lexicon, encyclopedic or scholarly article would support the assertion it is. it’s not about how I define it: it’s about how it is defined in reputable sources.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 day ago

            Right. So you are nitpicking the “anti” vs “pro” language commonly used in reference to concepts, principles, policies, ideologies, etc. Got it. I think this convo is going nowhere and ask you disengage.