• NSRXN
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      -64 days ago

      I bought a PlayStation. Sony isn’t going to put it back into production, despite proven demand.

      producers are free agents, so the only phenomenon that can be said to cause their actions is their own will.

      • @FooBarrington
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        74 days ago

        Producers would not produce meat if nobody bought it. There’s a direct causal link between the two. Just because this specific cow didn’t die for you to specifically eat it doesn’t remove the link between your choice and the death.

        At least that’s my non-vegan perspective.

        • NSRXN
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          -54 days ago

          Producers would not produce meat if nobody bought it

          iphones were produced before anyone bought one. producers can’t know whether a product will sell in the future.

          • @FooBarrington
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            iPhones also weren’t produced with the hopes that people would buy them, Apple did extensive market research. Had they found that people wouldn’t buy them, they wouldn’t have produced them. Have you ever looked into how product development happens?

            • NSRXN
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              -34 days ago

              it was still hope. they couldn’t possibly know the future.

              • @FooBarrington
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                34 days ago

                No, it’s not hope, it’s market research and statistics. You do understand the difference, right?

                • NSRXN
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                  -34 days ago

                  they don’t know the future. they hope their research is correct.

                  • @FooBarrington
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                    34 days ago

                    Then everything for the future is purely hope. You eat a steak? I sure hope it doesn’t turn into lava in your stomach! You enter a car? Better hope it doesn’t turn into a crocodile and swallow you!

                    Must be a strange life you’re leading, but anything you can tell yourself to ease your conscience. Surely the same number of cows would be killed if nobody ate any meat, they could always hope that tomorrow people start again!

      • @JubilantJaguar
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        74 days ago

        This is a silly sophistry and you know it is. Demand is what incentivizes supply.

        • NSRXN
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          -64 days ago

          the theory of supply and demand is a price discovery theory. it’s not an immutable law about when factories turn on production.

          your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.

          • @JubilantJaguar
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            64 days ago

            Fair enough. Others will judge for themselves.