• @WoodScientist
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    26 hours ago

    Kamala responded to her own voters’ protestations about Palestine by dismissing them with “I’m speaking now…”

    Well, in the end, it was the voters that spoke. And they sent her packing.

    And the centrists who endlessly said, “Donald Trump will be even worse for Palestine!,” we seem to now have a cease fire, even before Trump takes office. It looks like this particular genocide will be one that was entirely on Biden’s watch.

    • @teodor_from_achewood
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      106 hours ago

      75,000,000 people voted for Kamala.

      77,000,000 people voted for a guy who wants Israel to “finish the job” in Gaza.

      You only speak for yourself.

      • @[email protected]
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        26 hours ago

        It seems now that the genocide will be entirely on Biden’s head. There’s a cease fire deal that’s been signed. And Trump winning probably did provide a lot of the impetus to get that deal signed.

        I despise Trump for other reasons, but when he said, “finish the job,” he clearly meant, “wrap this up.” You can interpret it as a call for total genocide, but that’s your reading of it, not an objective good-faith reading.

        The truth is, in practice, Trump would have not been any worse than Biden on Gaza, even if the war had continued. Biden is already giving full US support to Israel. There’s nothing that a president can give Israel that Biden isn’t already giving Israel. I suppose a president could order US troops to directly participate in the fighting, but even Trump’s not that stupid.

        The hard truth is that both Trump and Biden are the same on Israel. There is no meaningful difference between their policies. And Harris made clear she was going to have the same stance on Israel that Trump now will - full unconditional support.

        But anyway, it’s most likely now that the deaths in Gaza will look something like this:

        Under Biden’s watch: 100,000-200,000 killed in a coordinated campaign of extermination

        Under Trump’s watch: a few hundred killed in random occasional spurts of violence while under a state of cease-fire.

        Historically, this genocide will be entirely on Biden’s head. It’s his genocide. Trump won’t have that stain on his record.

          • AmidFuror
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            24 hours ago

            The gist is that we needed someone who would threaten the Palestinians with even more support for Israel to force them to the table.

            • @teodor_from_achewood
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              04 hours ago

              I hear grass crying out to be touched. Trees crying out to be seen. Plants crying out to be smelled. A sun, desperate to touch skin.