2-3 years ago, an update to GRUB completely fucked the bootloader on Arch systems. I remember it well because it was the only time I was thankful for choosing Manjaro (which receives updates on a delayed schedule).
Upgrading on arch involves looking at the arch news. And IIRC, there was also a warning for some time when upgrading grub. So, assuming people who use arch, btw, use it properly, I don’t see the issue.
I’ve had two instances in the past year on Purple Arch (Endeavor) where a kernel update “broke” my system. In both cases, the system still booted fine though, so not all definitions of "broken"may apply.
The first time there was a bug with the kernel drivers for my wireless card which caused a component of Network Manager to lag out the entire UI to the point it was basically unresponsive trying to find a connection, but never did.
The second time, it was a bug with the Vulkan drivers that caused all my games to crash within 60 seconds of starting up. Games are the main thing I use my PC for, so my system was effectively “broken”, even though everything else was fine.
I am of course not discrediting your fortune - I merely wanted to share
I had issues with Arch all the time. Now is that the fault of my system being dodgy or my lack of skills? Probably. I even have wifi SOMETIMES not work on Mint.
Not break my system, but definitely had individual functionality that stopped working. But a quick search of the news for “manual intervention” items (or just web searching for my issue) would result in a very quick turnaround time.
Windows: You got a kernel panic from an update just once this week? I went through two BSODs today!
Mac: It’d happen more often if I actually had software! You get everything!
Arch: While getting updates can cause crashes sometimes, new stuff is fun.
Debian: You guys are getting updates?
Oh we get updates, after all the other distros have spilled their blood all over them for us first. Why do you think they call it bleeding edge?
Backports don’t count
😮why?
What? I never had an update break my system on Arch, even with nvidia proprietary drivers.
2-3 years ago, an update to GRUB completely fucked the bootloader on Arch systems. I remember it well because it was the only time I was thankful for choosing Manjaro (which receives updates on a delayed schedule).
(edit) Found it! https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/ A breaking change in the GRUB configuration caused systems to become unbootable. Manual intervention was required to regenerate the config files (I think it was supposed to be handled by a pacman hook but can’t be sure).
Upgrading on arch involves looking at the arch news. And IIRC, there was also a warning for some time when upgrading grub. So, assuming people who use arch, btw, use it properly, I don’t see the issue.
I’ve had two instances in the past year on Purple Arch (Endeavor) where a kernel update “broke” my system. In both cases, the system still booted fine though, so not all definitions of "broken"may apply.
The first time there was a bug with the kernel drivers for my wireless card which caused a component of Network Manager to lag out the entire UI to the point it was basically unresponsive trying to find a connection, but never did.
The second time, it was a bug with the Vulkan drivers that caused all my games to crash within 60 seconds of starting up. Games are the main thing I use my PC for, so my system was effectively “broken”, even though everything else was fine.
I am of course not discrediting your fortune - I merely wanted to share
Yea, that is not your system broken, but just an package update that was faulty, and probably fixed with an update a few hours later, isn’t it?
And you were able to role back such packages with yay/pacman, I suppose?
Yeah, kernel rollback fixed things no problem
Is this how people can claim that Arch is stable, they just redefine breaking to exclude anything that might actually happen?
Me too 😆 after killing manjaro twice and pivoted to endeavourOS
I had issues with Arch all the time. Now is that the fault of my system being dodgy or my lack of skills? Probably. I even have wifi SOMETIMES not work on Mint.
Not break my system, but definitely had individual functionality that stopped working. But a quick search of the news for “manual intervention” items (or just web searching for my issue) would result in a very quick turnaround time.
Maybe I should go back to maining Arch.