• @OccamsRazer
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    Yeah but if AOC makes a gesture that looks a lot like a nazi salute, nobody cares about it. It’s a double standard, but nobody actually thinks AOC is a nazi or was trying to evoke nazi imagery. Double standards aren’t always automatically bad or wrong. They need to be considered in the context of the person and what they stand for.

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      Dude, he did it 2 times, give me a break and best part is that he meant it, hence the 2 times salute. Cope harder

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        Not only that, but Elon promotes and sponsors multiple reactionary political groups around the world, including the AfD

      • @OccamsRazer
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        Ok… Did you see the AOC video though? Imagine Elon doing that and tell me what you would think about it. It would look a lot different coming from him, and that’s my point.

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          Since you give no link to what you’re talking about, I’m gonna assume it’s this one and preemptively debunk it.

          Edit to add that it blows my mind how anyone could really believe that a Nazi salute would be anywhere near her demeanor, taking into account the genuine compassion she has shown her supporters, especially as a brown Latina herself. How come I, a foreigner, know more about her than you do? I mean, I did watch her broadcast live when that blew up, and have seen a couple of her short videos on YT shorts generally browsing, and listened to her arguments on the Senate floor as it’s been recommended to me. Her message is clear. You really need to go out of your way to conceive something like that, you know?

          • @OccamsRazer
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            No it’s not that one, which was an obvious crop job. Another guy found it in one of the other comments. Again, it’s not that I’m saying that AOC did the salute, just that what if Elon did the same exact thing? It’s a double standard because he would be treated differently for it because of all the other context. But my point is that it’s not unreasonable for there to be a double standard given the context of who did it.

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              But there’s no possibility he did anything else than a Nazi salute. He’s so socially incompetent he forgot about the plausible deniability. Now his supporters are working overtime to cover it up. Like I said, it’s so weird that seeing a side-by-side comparison, it’s the same gesture in beat and pose. And I might add, as a grand, deliberate gesture for his audience of his gratitude.

              Also, please correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying that it’s a double standard that’s only excusable of their respective personalities? I think you mean acceptance? I don’t quite get what you mean by double standard as a trend. If AOC did the exact same gesture with the same intent, she’d be roasted alive by the left and people would not be questioning what she did and she’d immediately clarify with a statement that Elon has yet to give. The only double standard I see is how people start pointing elsewhere when a Republican politician does it. If it were a Democrat not a single soul would be pointing at that Greene plant in the Senate. xd This is the weirdest shit about US politics, that egregious double standard that envelopes this entire post.

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                  Oh yeah, I know, i recognize a couple of them. I want to make it clear how absurd they are.

    • Lemminary
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      Literal WW2 scholars have come forward and said that was unequivocally a Nazi salute. We have side-by-side comparisons that match the form and the timing. Everyone with an eye can tell what it is except for other Nazi sympathizers.

      Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

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          Yes, there are lots of people who get caught in what could be mistaken for a heil in a single photo.
          Show me a video of anyone heiling, full motion start to finish, who is not a nazi. Please do, heck, if you can find someone not a nazi doing a double sieg heil in a row, I will give you a genuine 18k gold medal!

    • @freddydunningkruger
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      I like that strawman you built, it’s so weak and flimsy a small breeze would knock it over.

      • @OccamsRazer
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        Straw man? I don’t think you understood the point I was making…

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          I don’t think YOU understood. You fabricated a scenario that doesn’t exist “AOC making a nazi salute”, and then claimed that nobody would have said anything about it, therefore it’s a double-standard.

          You conjured an event out of thin air, and then claimed your imaginary event that never even happened was proof of an existing double-standard.

          Now if AOC ever does an Elon and makes a constipated face while smashing her hand to her heart and grunting like a pig while thrusting it straight out in a nazi salute… twice… and nobody says anything… see, then you would have a point.

          • @OccamsRazer
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            She could do the exact same thing and nobody would say anything about it. Nobody would consider for a second that she actually meant to do a salute. Why would she? What in her history would make anyone think she is aligned with nazis? What could she hope to accomplish doing such a thing to the type of crowd she would be speaking to? The very idea is preposterous, and for that reason it wouldn’t even be considered.

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      Can you please show me what you are referring to and the context? Because the context of the event discussed was very clear. It wasn’t a never do this educational situation. Dude just had to say, my bad it looked like that but I was caught up in the moment and meant to put my hand out with an open palm like Jesus in Rio but we instead accidentally kept them facing down.

      A lot of the issue stemmed from him doing it twice after supporting a far right Germany movement and not just saying my bad.

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        Yeah that’s my point. It has a lot more credibility as an accusation against Musk compared to when AOC did something very similar. Because nobody thinks AOC is a Nazi. It’s a bit of a double standard, but so what?

        This is what I’m referring to. If you can find the video it really does look like a nazi salute, but nobody actually thinks that it is, in any way: https://x.com/APTeacher1754/status/1882043612122497239/photo/1

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          https://x.com/emilyraustin/status/1882164579020759417

          Here’s your video. You can clearly see she is waving her arms to make a point. She isn’t doing a Nazi salute as this X nut apparently thinks. She isn’t bringing her arm down to her chest and saluting.

          Saying she does 3 Nazi salutes here would be like saying am umpire does a double everytime he calls someone out. In U.S. Culture Out and No kind of have that same hand movement. It’s like a physical X gesture.

          • @OccamsRazer
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            Yeah but imagine Musk doing that exact thing. I’m pretty sure it would hit a lot different.

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              Not at all, we don’t label all Italians Nazis just for taking with their hands (first stereotype that came to mind as my father’s side is all from Sicily)

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                Yes but I’m saying what if Musk did that.

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                  Nothing would happen? He would have been said to be talking with his hands? The stretch here is vast. There is no Nazi symbolism there